Do God the Father and God the Son have physical bodies? (Jesus Christ, priests)

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by DeepShadow

You're still not geting it. Who God calls, He qualifies. We are worthy in spite of our sins. Please reread the BoM scripture I posted.

I will review things at a much later hour.

[DeepShadow]

Originally Posted by ἀλήθεια

Are some sins wretched and other sins not wretched?

LOL! No, that's not it at all. Her problem was with CALLING herself a sinner. It's not something we beat ourselves up about, is all.

I don't know that I was trying to convince her that she's a sinner.

Well, then your questions were posed out of misunderstanding. If the others here thought you were being disingenuous, that's probably because they have a hard time believing you misunderstood.

I wanted her opinion on the matter. In fact, I'm more interested in what she has to say about this than what you try to say on her behalf.

I sympathize, but it appears she's bowed out of the conversation, and I can only speak from my years of knowing her. Unless she decides to correct me, it looks like I'm all you're going to get.

[Scott C.]

Originally Posted by ἀλήθεια

You cannot receive a blessing from God without deserving it for your scripture clearly states that you must do X to receive Y. It is a law and obedience is a law of LDS heaven. There are no blessings handed out without the recipient's obedience as a requirement for that blessing.

There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—
And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated. (Doctrine and Covenants 130:20-21)

The question of grace, works, obedience, blessings, what we merit, and what we don't merit is interesting and worthy of discussion. I would suggest we use a new thread for that discussion, however.

[Freelancer7]

'The Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) is a collection of separate modern day revelations, received mostly by Joseph Smith, and is accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as scripture.'

Also Scott I personaly believe that Intelligent Creation itself is growing, learning and expanding. The Doctrine and the Covenants are old so the Holy Spirit in Modern Times could possibly be on earth in a physical Body, possibly the Father if in a physical body would need the Holy Spirit to be in a Physical body as well, that is, if on earth, well, in the physical dimension that we see with our own two eyes that is?!

[ayani]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Hi, Ayani.

Well, in a nutshell, it all begins when one hears and is converted to the gospel of Jesus Christ and has faith that Jesus Christ can and wishes to pay the price for his sins. The next step in for him to repent of those sins, be baptised by immersion for the remission of those sins by one holding the proper authority to do so, and receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.

We believe that when we enter into a covenant relationship with our Savior at the time we are baptized, He promises us that if we will remain faithful to Him throughout our lives, doing our best to keep His commandments and repenting whenever we fall short, He will become our advocate with our Father in Heaven. His Atonement paid the price for our sins and absolves us of the guilt associated with those sins. Because we have been cleansed by His sacrifice, we can look forward to being reconciled with our Father in Heaven and living with Him eternally.

can a Christian of a non-LDS background also believe in Jesus and recieve salvation through grace, be baptized into His name, and live for Him, with the same validity as a member of the CoJCoLDS?

does being a member of the CoJCoLDS make a difference?

[Apex]

Originally Posted by ayani

can a Christian of a non-LDS background also believe in Jesus and recieve salvation through grace, be baptized into His name, and live for Him, with the same validity as a member of the CoJCoLDS?

does being a member of the CoJCoLDS make a difference?

We believe that to be properly baptized one needs to be baptized by someone holding the priesthood. While we maintain that other churches and religions contain truths we do not believe they hold the priesthood.

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by DeepShadow

And yet we are still unworthy:

Mosiah 2:21-25
21 I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.
22 And behold, all that he requires of you is to keep his commandments; and he has promised you that if ye would keep his commandments ye should prosper in the land; and he never doth vary from that which he hath said; therefore, if ye do keep his commandments he doth bless you and prosper you.

23 And now, in the first place, he hath created you, and granted unto you your lives, for which ye are indebted unto him.

24 And secondly, he doth require that ye should do as he hath commanded you; for which if ye do, he doth immediately bless you; and therefore he hath paid you. And ye are still indebted unto him, and are, and will be, forever and ever; therefore, of what have ye to boast?

25 And now I ask, can ye say aught of yourselves? I answer you, Nay. Ye cannot say that ye are even as much as the dust of the earth; yet ye were created of the dust of the earth; but behold, it belongeth to him who created you.


Can you tell me what this means to you since you believe that I don't understand it? Thank you.

ἀλήθεια

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by Scott C.

The question of grace, works, obedience, blessings, what we merit, and what we don't merit is interesting and worthy of discussion. I would suggest we use a new thread for that discussion, however.

But you want to discuss Mosiah 2:21-25, don't you? Is that not about a person's obedience and worthiness?


ἀλήθεια

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by Scott C.

When the Son of God appears again, we will “see him as he is” and we will be “like him”. We will see that he has form and that our form is in his image. We will also see that the Father has form and we and the Son are in the image of the Father.

Can you give me a verse that says our form is in His image?

Can you tell me when we lost that image and how that image will be restored?

Thank you for your time.

ἀλήθεια

[ayani]

Originally Posted by Apex

We believe that to be properly baptized one needs to be baptized by someone holding the priesthood. While we maintain that other churches and religions contain truths we do not believe they hold the priesthood.

there's a lot that really causes me to doubt this belief. for one thing, we have numerous Christian bodies througout the world, many extremely ancient, some pre-dating the official split between Roman Catholicism and the Orthodox church, at least one even pre-dating the Arian controversy and the Counsel of Nicea.

that one church would be the Indian Orthodox Chritian community, founded by the ApostleThomas on a mission trip to India. the first converts were Cochin Jews. other early-formed church bodies include the Syrian Orthodox Church and Coptic / Egyptian Christians.

so why do none of these churches, one clearly founded by an apostle of Christ, some using Syrian-Aramaic as the language of liturgy, mention these teachings? why have none of these doctrines been found in the eariest writing associated with these churches? in the writings of the church fathers? in the Gospels? there's a completely silent trail across three continents and 2000 years until 1830's America, and i find that very implausible.