Christian: God: not three Persons?? (Jesus, Torah, translation, creation)

[Hope]

This thread is mainly directed at those who claim to be 'Christians' and yet discard belief in a triune God. I'm genuinely curious as to what this unbelief is based on. Please enlighten me!

[HelpMe]

to do this properly we would have agree on a translation to use.but it was a great idea.

Acts7:35
Joh 17:3
Ga4:14
Joh 14:28
John 15:10
John15:1
Luke16:8
Matthew 26:39
1tim2:5
Dan9:12
dan12:1
heb5:8,9
heb1:2-4
1co3:23
1co11:3
1pe1:3
john4:6
rev3:12
acts3:13
acts3:26
isa42:1
John13:16
Joh 7:16
Matthew20:28
john3:35
heb4:15
Jas 1:13
Nu 23:19
2Sam7:13-16
Isa53:10-12
1co15:20
1Th 4:14
1Ti6:3
1Ti 3:16
1ti4:7
rev17:14
Da 2:37
1Ti6:15
Eze 26:7
Ezr 7:12
Ro8:29
Colossians1:18
heb12:23
rev1:5
mt7:14
acts5:31
1John2:12-14
John 5:21
John 5:25
1Th4:16
Jud13:21,22
1co15:28
heb5:9
acts2:36
Zec3:1-3
Ex23:20-22
heb2:17
john14:31
ro8:17
john20:23
Ps8:4-6
Ps 82:6
Joh 10:34
1Co 8:5,6
ect.

please excuse me if i've repeated anything, i have no organized notes nor have i finished all that i could of said scripturally, but as you may imagine, i also am about to retire for the night as i too am tired.

[Ronald]

Your New Testament says he is the first-born of all creation, from whom is he born of, if he is God?
Revelations says "I am the Alpha and Omega", Aleph and the Tav in Hebrew, or et/difinate article Hebrew alphabet, by implication the Word of God(also NTterm for Yeshua) or Torah, the Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. In the beginning was the Word(of God). The Word of God goes forth from the mouth of God, and shall not return to him void. Also NT term Son of God.
"Hear O Israel the Lord thy God is ONE."
Dear Hope, the trinity isn't in the Bible for one good reason, there is no trinity!!!!

[t3gah]

The Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit never manifested itself in the form of a person/being.

The disciple Stephen looked up into heaven on bended knee and saw God with Jesus at God's right side. No mention of the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit).

The Holy Ghost/Spirit appeared above persons heads for Pentecost 33 CE as tongues of fire. The Holy Ghost/Spirit appeared above Jesus as a dove. And Holy Spirit is said to have filled the disciples of Christ.

[HelpMe]

i assume ronald was referring to jesus/yeshua(he) when he said basically that he is not god.

this is wrong, jesus/yeshua is most certainly eloah(god), just not almighty.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

i assume ronald was referring to jesus/yeshua(he) when he said basically that he is not god.

this is wrong, jesus/yeshua is most certainly eloah(god), just not almighty.

Now I'm really confused...... how can God not be almighty?

..... are there different levels of God..... a Junior God..... God First Class..... God in training.....

[HelpMe]

ex7:1

to be elohim(mighty one[s] or the more common "god") is not to be el-shaddai(almighty)

john10:34

[Linus]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Your New Testament says he is the first-born of all creation, from whom is he born of, if he is God?

This feels like I'm back in the Jehovah's Witness thread.

Anyway, the term "firstborn" in this passage ( I believe that you are refering to Colossians 1:15) does not literally mean "first to be born". The greek term signifies the preeminence, authority, power, etc. over creation. It is stating Christ's position over creation, not order in which He was made in it.

[Ronald]

So HelpMe, just where does Y H V H say I am Yeshua or Yeshua/Jesus say I am Y H V H.
I am completely familar with all, ALL of the Proof texts eluding to a triune God, a duality, ect, ect.
But the quotation of "I am God!" seems to elude me. So where is it? Since you are convinced he is God, you must have an iron clad proof. So give it up. Please!

[HelpMe]

i'm not a trinitarian.you've encountered me on this issue before, is your memory short?

yeshua is scripturally an eloah(god/mighty one).

consider john10:34 and why yeshua simply didn't deny being eloah.ps86:2 and ex7:1 would be a good start, even [yhwh] called moses an elohim...are you saying moses was greater than yeshua?

also read john3:35.