Christian: God: not three Persons?? (Jesus, Torah, translation, creation)

[Scuba Pete]

You guys are killing me...

Hope's question should not be reduced to petty semantical somersaults or etymological dancing.

Are you so arrogant that you can't simply say... "There is no way for any of us to fully understand God's character."??? Just because you don't understand his many permutations on this plane of existence doesn't meant they don't exist.

Is God an entity?

Is Jesus an entity? If so, how did he get here and where did he go?

Repeat the same for the Holy Spirit.

[may]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

You guys are killing me...

Hope's question should not be reduced to petty semantical somersaults or etymological dancing.

Are you so arrogant that you can't simply say... "There is no way for any of us to fully understand God's character."??? Just because you don't understand his many permutations on this plane of existence doesn't meant they don't exist.

Is God an entity?

Is Jesus an entity? If so, how did he get here and where did he go?

Repeat the same for the Holy Spirit.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ(John 17; 3) no third person mentioned there only the true God and jesus christ

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by t3gah

I remember a similar context of Moses being God. In the Hebrew scriptures God tells Moses that he, Moses, will be God to Aaron. Does that mean that Moses was God also?

moses was absolutely elohim(or 'god' if we must).ex7:1

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by t3gah

If God's name is YHWH or Jehova, how come God tells Moses to say to the sons of Israel that "Ehyeh has sent me to you"?

simple.

because they already knew his name(read the 'bible' before ex3:14, the name appears like 200 times[my guess]), moses was asking for further meaning.

questions like this make me seriously question your sincerity given other things you've said elsewhere.

[dhiannian]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Your New Testament says he is the first-born of all creation, from whom is he born of, if he is God?
Revelations says "I am the Alpha and Omega", Aleph and the Tav in Hebrew, or et/difinate article Hebrew alphabet, by implication the Word of God(also NTterm for Yeshua) or Torah, the Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. In the beginning was the Word(of God). The Word of God goes forth from the mouth of God, and shall not return to him void. Also NT term Son of God.
"Hear O Israel the Lord thy God is ONE."
Dear Hope, the trinity isn't in the Bible for one good reason, there is no trinity!!!!

You missed a very important part in your attempt at quoting John 1
In the beginning was the Word(Capital W) And the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. (skip to verse 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.(Still speaking of the Word=God=Jesus) Jump to verse 14. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Now if the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us(Jesus) ok. Now when Jesus said his Father was greater than him,(Jesus cannot lie) He is greater than man, and Jesus had taken on the form of man, when he said this he didn't mean he was a lesser god (or whatever) than God But in his present earthly body His father was greater than him. Philippians 2:7-8 explains this he took the form of a servant, and humbled himself for us.

Try and argue 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In Genesis 1:26 it says And God said let US make man in our image. Genesis 11:7 is God speaking again he says let US go down.
Now either God is talking to himself, Or there is more than one God..But wait..Or there is 3 in one (Our minds are not Gods mind and just because someone can't comprehend God having 3 differant parts does not say a thing, We can't comprehend it on this earth so it must be false? God is not of this earth and ANYTHING is possible with God) John 10:33 I and my Father are ONE.
Deuteronomy 6:4 The Lord our God is one Lord.
Matthew 28:19 says in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Notice name, not names. Singular use of the word piles even more proof onto the pile
There is 1 God, He has 3 parts.

I have so many other verses but unfortunatly I must go to work



Hope this clears up something

[dhiannian]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

i assume ronald was referring to jesus/yeshua(he) when he said basically that he is not god.

this is wrong, jesus/yeshua is most certainly eloah(god), just not almighty.

Read my other post in this thread, It should shed some light on this.

[john313]

Originally Posted by dhiannian

In Genesis 1:26 it says And God said let US make man in our image. Genesis 11:7 is God speaking again he says let US go down.
Now either God is talking to himself, Or there is more than one God..But wait..Or there is 3 in one (Our minds are not Gods mind and just because someone can't comprehend God having 3 differant parts does not say a thing, We can't comprehend it on this earth so it must be false? God is not of this earth and ANYTHING is possible with God) John 10:33 I and my Father are ONE.
Deuteronomy 6:4 The Lord our God is one Lord.
Matthew 28:19 says in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Notice name, not names. Singular use of the word piles even more proof onto the pile
There is 1 God, He has 3 parts.

This uses Elohim which refers to the angels("gods"). We were created in the image of the angels, not of God. God is ONE. God does not look like us.

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by dhiannian

You missed a very important part in your attempt at quoting John 1
In the beginning was the Word(Capital W) And the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God...

you missed a very important part in your attempt to quote john1, there was no capitals in the manuscripts.all emphasis is assumed.

[t3gah]

Originally Posted by dhiannian

You missed a very important part in your attempt at quoting John 1
In the beginning was the Word(Capital W) And the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. (skip to verse 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.(Still speaking of the Word=God=Jesus) Jump to verse 14. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Now if the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us(Jesus) ok. Now when Jesus said his Father was greater than him,(Jesus cannot lie) He is greater than man, and Jesus had taken on the form of man, when he said this he didn't mean he was a lesser god (or whatever) than God But in his present earthly body His father was greater than him. Philippians 2:7-8 explains this he took the form of a servant, and humbled himself for us.

Try and argue 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In Genesis 1:26 it says And God said let US make man in our image. Genesis 11:7 is God speaking again he says let US go down.

Now either God is talking to himself, Or there is more than one God..But wait..Or there is 3 in one (Our minds are not Gods mind and just because someone can't comprehend God having 3 differant parts does not say a thing, We can't comprehend it on this earth so it must be false? God is not of this earth and ANYTHING is possible with God) John 10:33 I and my Father are ONE.

Deuteronomy 6:4 The Lord our God is one Lord.

Matthew 28:19 says in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Notice name, not names. Singular use of the word piles even more proof onto the pile

There is 1 God, He has 3 parts.

I have so many other verses but unfortunatly I must go to work



Hope this clears up something

Stephen looks up into heaven and doesn't see the holy ghost. He's full of holy ghost. Does that mean stephen is possessed? Is the holy ghost indisposed for the photo op?

The holy ghost comes down as tongues of fire for the gathering of Pentecost 33 A.D. The disciples all full of holy ghost can now speak every language in the area.

The holy ghost comes down as a dove for Jesus baptism.

The people can pray for the holy ghost to strengthen their faith.

The holy ghost is god's power, not another entity. Speaking against the God's spirit is like speaking against his will. Note however that you can speak words of contempt against God himself and Jesus. Why the differences?

Note too that when Stephen dies he says to Jesus to receive "my" spirit. Did the holy ghost leave him? Did the holy ghost die when Stephen died? Why didn't Stephen say "please receive the holy ghost"?


Acts 7:59 They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”

And another important thing to remember. The bibles that have God's spirit spoken of as a ghost is from a period of time when the people believed in actual ghosts. Spirits of the dead cannot be or so it says in the bible in Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Everyone of the apostles, Jesus and the disciples are all full of holy ghost. That means there's either more than one or it's God's will or his power, not an actual entity.

And the passage in the beginning of the bible when God says "let us make man in our image" is when God is talking to Jesus because Jesus even says he was in the beginning with God and was the number one favorite and number one worker with God.

There's only Jesus and God the Father. Jesus says many times that he was sent by His Father. Not His equal, His Father. Jesus also says to pray to the Father who is in the heavens and not Himself. Jesus said His Father is greater than He is. Jesus prayed before He was taken into custody to His Father in the heavens. If Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost are all equals, then why does Jesus need to pray at all? Why does He pray to the Father? Why does He call God, the Father? If Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost are one, why does Jesus pray that His Father's will be done?

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. KJV