Christian: God: not three Persons?? (Jesus, Torah, translation, creation)

[Ronald]

NO iron clad truths.Eh!

6 ¶ I say, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;

7 nevertheless,(Yeshua ,died like men) you shall die like men, and fall like any prince."

But, SONS of God are raised up! Isn't this the Most Important Point!

Yeshua the 'Firster' man Adam. born of pure blood, lived sinless, qualified as perfect lamb of God. the price of redemption for tainted/unclean mankind. Giving mankind a Way to become Sons of God, clean and sinless, empowered to keep the commandments and qualify for Election. Halakah/Way/Derek

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by Ronald

NO iron clad truths.Eh!

you've offered not one single nearly iron clad proof that yeshua was/is not an elohim.

hold yourself to your own standards for others.

[t3gah]

There was a discussion about the trinity already if anyone is interesting in checking out this thread that had 32 replies:

1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ?
(1+1+1 = 1 ?)

[Hope]

I confess I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to ancient languages; however, it seems to me that everyone at least agrees that in the Scriptures there exists all three 'parts' of the Trinity---the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And Jesus states more than once that He and the Father are one. If Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not parts of the Godhead, then what are they?? That is where some of you are losing me. I understand that the word 'trinity' is not used in scripture---it is a term used only to describe the nature of God, as it is, at least to me, outlined in Scripture. I remember that thread 1+1+1=1?, t3gah. But, to me, you can't use simple mathematics to try to define a Being who is infinite and already beyond our human comprehension. We can't put Someone in a box who is beyond any box we could ever conceive.

But this fascinates me....please continue to explain things to me.

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by Hope

...And Jesus states more than once that He and the Father are one...

john10:30"I and the Father are one."

john17:11"And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we [are]."

john17:21,22"that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we [are] one;"

john14:28"Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I."


i don't want to tell you what to believe or what these mean, i would like to hear your opinions on them though.

[t3gah]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

i assume ronald was referring to jesus/yeshua(he) when he said basically that he is not god.

this is wrong, jesus/yeshua is most certainly eloah(god), just not almighty.

I remember a similar context of Moses being God. In the Hebrew scriptures God tells Moses that he, Moses, will be God to Aaron. Does that mean that Moses was God also?


Exodus 4:14
The anger of Yahweh was kindled against Moses, and he said, "What about Aaron, your brother, the Levite? I know that he can speak well. Also, behold, he comes forth to meet you. When he sees you, he will be glad in his heart.

Exodus 4:15
You shall speak to him, and put the words in his mouth. I will be with your mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what you shall do.

Exodus 4:16
He will be your spokesman to the people; and it will happen, that he will be to you a mouth, and you will be to him as God.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by t3gah

I remember a similar context to Jesus being God. In the Hebrew scriptures God tells Moses that he, Moses, will be God to Aaron. Does that mean that Moses was God also?

There are two main terms for "God" in the ancient Hebrew scriptures. There is Yahweh (Y H W H), which is the term for the Almighty, one, true, God, Jehova. And there is Elohim, which is a term for god (little g), king, prince, mighty one, judge, ruler, etc. Be careful not to get the two mixed up.

[t3gah]

Originally Posted by Linus

There are two main terms for "God" in the ancient Hebrew scriptures. There is Yahweh (Y H W H), which is the term for the Almighty, one, true, God, Jehova. And there is Elohim, which is a term for god (little g), king, prince, mighty one, judge, ruler, etc. Be careful not to get the two mixed up.

Elshaddai - God Almighty
Elelyon - Most High or Most High God
Elolam - Everlasting God
Elohim - God and sometimes Gods (plural)
El - God

Those scriptures are Exodus 4:14-16 )moses(

If God's name is YHWH or Jehova, how come God tells Moses to say to the sons of Israel that "Ehyeh has sent me to you"? (Exodus 3:15)

[Linus]

Originally Posted by t3gah

Elshaddai - God Almighty
Elelyon - Most High or Most High God
Elolam - Everlasting God
Elohim - God and sometimes Gods (plural)
El - God

Those scriptures are Exodus 4:14-16 )moses(

Which ones? All the translations I looked up only mention God twice within those 3 verses. And those two words are LORD (verse 14) and God (verse16). Besides, none of the translations I have looked at say that Moses will be God to Aaron, but rather that Moses will be AS God to Aaron. What could that mean?

Originally Posted by t3gah

If God's name is YHWH or Jehova, how come God tells Moses to say to the sons of Israel that "Ehyeh has sent me to you"? (Exodus 3:15)

I don't know. To tell you the truth I am not an expert on ancient Hebrew. I am only familiar with the two terms I mentioned earlier.

[Ronald]

What is the benefit of believing and teaching a triune God?

There are many warnings for false teaching, witness ect.

Since it is NOT God breathed, doesn't that make it "Precepts of man"?