Christian: Are Christians forgetting that Jesus IS God Himself? (Earth, Isaiah)

[No*s]

One good way to test one's understanding of the Trinity is to test it against the Nicene Creed (the final revised version in Constantinople, thus lacking the Filioque). It pretty much deals with any poor notion...

EDIT:

It is here http://www.goarch.org/en/chapel/litu...exts/creed.asp

[Scuba Pete]

No*s (One day, you gotta 'splain yo name)

You and I agree on so much... but to a logos purist like myself, additional "creeds" and writings are anathema.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

No*s (One day, you gotta 'splain yo name)

You and I agree on so much... but to a logos purist like myself, additional "creeds" and writings are anathema.

Ah, but remember, claims like "No creed but the Bible" are creeds in themselves ;).

However, on my name, the "*" replaces one of the extended ASCII (an "o" with a diaresis on top of it). Unfortunately, it doesn't display that, but it did create a unique name. Noos (imagine the diaresis) is the uncontracted Homeric form of the later attic nous. It meant "mind," was later used by the philosophers to refer to the world mind (i.e. God), but didn't mean the calculating mind and later came closer to "heart," but it never lost its emphasis on "mind."

In short, I use it to represent my assertion that heart and mind should be one...and this cannot always be done through calculation.

[Scuba Pete]

Ah, but remember, claims like "No creed but the Bible" are creeds in themselves .

Excepting that I find this "creed" in the scriptures.

[chuck010342]

I go one step further and say that "christian" is not an accurate title for one who believes in Jesus

[Scuba Pete]

I go one step further and say that "christian" is not an accurate title for one who believes in Jesus

And this is predicated on what???

[fromthe heart]

Here's something I've heard described about the Trinity---as a triune being, God demonstrates to us probably the most important aspect of existence: relationship. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in a perfect, loving relationship. They are separate, and yet one. We, the Body of Christ, are also separate, and yet one. Because of relationship. It's not a perfect analogy, of course, for God-in three-persons will always be beyond our human understanding, but it's a way to grasp it a tiny bit.

Yes...exactly what I was trying to say...so in that sense there is a trinity of 1 but yet of 3. So in that light you can't just say we shouldn't look at the Trinity and say it has no merit. God can be everywhere and anywhere...it's impossible for the human mind to comprehend all that is in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

Excepting that I find this "creed" in the scriptures.

Where?

[Scuba Pete]

Acts 11:26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. NIV

Next question...

The first car is in the Bible too.

[dhiannian]

Originally Posted by Christy

I teach a Bible-study class to 6th-8th graders in preparation for their affirmation of their baptism in a ceremony we call Confirmation. I have done this for many years.

I have absolutely NOTHING against the Trinity doctrine because my Lord Jesus is the one who talked about baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But here is the problem: I believe that because of our teachings many new Christians incorrectly see three thrones in Heaven - the big throne on which sits the Father, the medium size throne on which sits Jesus, and the smallest throne on which sits the Holy Spirit. And yet, we tell them that we worship ONE GOD, which we do.

The Trinity has been a confusing concept for all of Christendom. I believe that Jesus used this imagery to help us begin to understand how God could be in many different places and in many different times - all at the same time. God is not bound by specific place and time as we are. Until recently, we had no concept of the possibility of other dimensions outside of our familiar three dimensional world. This is beginning to change as our cutting edge scientists theorize "string theory" and "quantum mechanics."

But back to our Christian faith. We teach that God sent His Son Jesus into the world to redeem the world through His innocent death on the cross. But we also teach that Jesus IS God and we profess this truth in our creeds. However, we rarely put these two concepts together to get the full and beautiful picture of what God did for us. It was GOD HIMSELF who was born in that manger to live among men. It was GOD HIMSELF who died on that cross. (And Yes - you people of Islam who laugh at this truth - God CAN be in Heaven ruling AND be on that cross DYING at the same time. God can die and live at the same time. Why? Because He is God.)

God did not send another being to die on the cross for us. He came Himself and died for us. That is the powerful and wonderful truth. Why do our teachings not adequately reflect this??????

I agree on some points, But I think God's teachings do reflect this,
The command to baptise is the name of the Father,Son, and Holy Ghost alone teaches this.
That's why Name is not in plural, but singular form.
3 names, Only one God.
In John 1,
In the beginning was the Word(Capital W) And the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. (skip to verse 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.(Still speaking of the Word=God=Jesus) Jump to verse 14. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Now if the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us(Je