Christian: Are Christians forgetting that Jesus IS God Himself? (Earth, Isaiah)

[dan]

Originally Posted by sojourner

But the doctrine of the Trinity says that the relationship is more than a simple change in manifestation. The doctrine of the Trinity says that there are three distinct and different persons composing the same God. Think of it more as a soup. There are chicken, stock, and vegetables. All different things, all "coming out of the same pot," and all being recognized as "one Soup."

All these definitions do nothing to reconcile logic with the creed that the Trinity is based on. The three of them are supposedly of the same substance. You are making analogies about classifications, not substance. Stock is one substance, chicken is another. They are only one insofar as they are classified as a soup. The Trinity is completely different. The Trinity defines all three as chicken, all three as stock, and all three as vegetables. Your analogies fit better with the LDS concept of Godhead.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by dan

All these definitions do nothing to reconcile logic with the creed that the Trinity is based on. The three of them are supposedly of the same substance. You are making analogies about classifications, not substance. Stock is one substance, chicken is another. They are only one insofar as they are classified as a soup. The Trinity is completely different. The Trinity defines all three as chicken, all three as stock, and all three as vegetables. Your analogies fit better with the LDS concept of Godhead.

well...the creed says that Jesus Christ is "of one being with the Father." I'm not sure that equates to your statement that "the three of them are... of the same substance."

The Trinity doesn't define "all three as chicken, all three as stock, and all three as vegetables." The Trinity says that God is fully present in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. And they all work together. None works without the other. I'm not sure whether it's theologically fair to talk of one outside the relativity of the other two... The Father created through the Son. The Son is with us through the Holy Spirit. The Son asks the Father to send the Spirit.

Obviously, the Trinity cannot be explained so simply as chicken soup. What perspective do you suggest we assume, in order to look upon God in God's entirety? I don't know of any.

[Geoffthe3rd]

Originally Posted by sojourner

That's your interpretation of scripture. Interesting how two people, who read the same scriptures, can come up with two different beliefs! It certainly makes for a broader understanding of God, doesn't it?

That is why the Catholic Church has a Pope and a Priestly Hierarchy, with each of us interpreting the bible in our own way then that causes division (which is why we have 20,000 Protestant denominations). We have a Pope led by the Holy Spirit to help direct us in our understanding of the Holy Scriptures, which helps keep unity. Cause the Church is the Body of Christ and i doubt Christ will 'reveal' to us different epiphanys that are totally contradictory to eachother