LDS Only: Self-righteousness in our midst

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by silvermoon383

Will you all stop it already?

You're right. I regret letting myself be pulled into the argument. We're letting the world see us at our worst. We know better.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by FFH

Wow, weird, I was going to post that scripture earlier, but chose not to for some reason.

Joshua 24:

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve

I think this opening statement means that there were people back in his day, arguing with the prophets over commandments.

[Watchmen]

Originally Posted by Starfish

You're right. I regret letting myself be pulled into the argument. We're letting the world see us at our worst. We know better.

Mingling religious influence with civil government whereby our views are promoted and others are denied their civil rights is seeing us at our worst.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by DisneyMan

Mingling religious influence with civil government whereby our views are promoted and others are denied their civil rights is seeing us at our worst.

God influenced the founding fathers when writing the constitution and setting up the government.

This is clear in the Doctrine and Covenanants.

now people are trying to dictate what the founding fathers "meant" by clarifying the constitution. and theya re using thier own reasoning and influence to get what they want rather than what God's desires for us to have,

[FFH]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Yes exactly, I was never claiming to be perfect.

There was a quote i am trying to find. it might be from The Miracle of forgiveness.

it goes something to the effect of "If we all waitied untill we were perfect to speak, nothing would ever be said." I know it's an LDS Apostle quote but i'm having trouble finding it again.

We don't know what Affliction Paul had weither it be a temptation or a physical burden that didn't heal or what. But it was there to keep him humble.

A long time ago when i was inactive a beam fell on my foot at work. and from a coupel mor series of events my toe began to bleed. it began to bleed for 2 years and refused to heal. I did not have medical insurance but i kept thinking that it would just go away. it became infected and inflamed, but then some days it looked as if it was healing.

I know the Lord did not allow it to heal properly and it became a "thorn in my flesh" and when i read about Paul and his trial. I almost cried because i knew at that instant that the Lord was teaching me a lesson.

When i had finished the repentance process, the lord allowed it to heal.

Wow, weird I had a similar experience when my foot was smashed in a motorcycle accident and it was swollen for a year and nothing I could do would bring down the swelling all I could do was manage it to some degree by staying horizontal, just laying on my bed or couch for about a year, standing only for short periods of time.

During that time I found this forum and started to post and could do nothing more since every time I stood up, my foot would swell up and go numb and I was afraid of losing it. As long as I stayed horizontal and didn't stand for too long the circulation in my foot was bareable. It forced me to post here in an odd way, cuz I couldn't do anything else but lay down and rest for a good year. I was out of work that whole time and finally my Elder's Quorum President and my Bishop gave me a blessing and I was finally able to get back to work, now I work double the hours I used to work, to make up for the lost year and much more.

[FFH]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Joshua 24: 15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve

I think this opening statement means that there were people back in his day, arguing with the prophets over commandments.

Exactly.

Many scriptures have a double meaning or way of taking or reading it, like this one.

Gal. 6: 7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

If we sow evil, we'll reap evil, if we sow good, we'll reap good.

I've sowed my share of evil seeds, yet I've also sowed many good seeds.

Thank God for Christ's sacrifice which can kill those evil seeds we've sown if we repent.

[FFH]

Originally Posted by DisneyMan

Mingling religious influence with civil government whereby our views are promoted and others are denied their civil rights is seeing us at our worst.

This doesn't apply in situations where sin is legalized.

I've said it over and over, there's a huge difference between being an ethnic minority, who's fighting for their rights as a human beings (equal in the eyes of the Lord), verses a sexual minority, who's fighting for their rights to sin.

Where should we draw the line with sin ???

If we allow homosexuality, we should also allow fornication, prostitution, polygamists, illegal drug users , etc. to go unpunished.

What about their rights ???

Are we not discriminating against them ???

See my point ???

[Scott C.]

Originally Posted by Starfish

You're right. I regret letting myself be pulled into the argument. We're letting the world see us at our worst. We know better.

Ditto.

[Katzpur]

Whoa! I've been out of town for four days and look what I've missed: Personal attacks like I haven't seen in a long time. I'm seriously surprised that this thread hasn't been shut down yet. Apparently pretty much everybody missed my point in starting the thread in the first place -- except for Scott C. who pretty much zeroed in on it right off the bat. It was never my intention (1) to make this thread an extension of the other two threads on the gay rights issues in California or (2) to divide us into two groups of Latter-day Saints who are determined to show the rest of the RF community how truly nasty we can be. I was merely trying to explore a trend I was starting to see and to try to figure out why we feel the need to tear one another down. Talk about back-f