Muslims Only: What if Quran and Sunnah Contradict each other?

tariqkhwaja · #1 06-24-2008, 07:57 AM

Assalamualaikum.

So ... what if Quran and Sunnah contradict each other?

Which should we give precedence to?

TashaN · #2 06-25-2008, 03:08 AM

If it's a sahih hadith, it will not.

yousaf · #3 06-25-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

If it's a sahih hadith, it will not.

it would never happen as abu khalid said,
the character of the prophet (saw) was the quraan so the prophet never went against the quraan unlike mirza ghulam ahmed

tariqkhwaja · #4 06-25-2008, 08:24 AM

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If it's a sahih hadith, it will not.

The exact point with which I diagree. What is the meaning of a Sahih Hadith?
A group of ulema came together, did extensive research, made a criteria for which Hadith are Sahih, and came to the conclusion that the Hadith in 6 books are accurate or Sahih. That is all.
On what authority can we claim that there are no human errors in this process?

God has given us assurances within the Quran that He will protect the Quran. What assurances do we have that all reported Hadith are accurate?

Note that Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, and all others are held in high esteem for the work they did and the effort they put into this most noble of tasks. I love them and the work they did. But too much love can bring terrible results (e.g. Christian's love for Jesus).

What assurance do we have that all reported Sahih Hadith are accurate?

TashaN · #5 06-25-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

The exact point with which I diagree. What is the meaning of a Sahih Hadith?
A group of ulema came together, did extensive research, made a criteria for which Hadith are Sahih, and came to the conclusion that the Hadith in 6 books are accurate or Sahih. That is all.
On what authority can we claim that there are no human errors in this process?

God has given us assurances within the Quran that He will protect the Quran. What assurances do we have that all reported Hadith are accurate?

Note that Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, and all others are held in high esteem for the work they did and the effort they put into this most noble of tasks. I love them and the work they did. But too much love can bring terrible results (e.g. Christian's love for Jesus).

What assurance do we have that all reported Sahih Hadith are accurate?

All your arguments just fell apart because ...

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Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that a time will come when Islam will be divided into 73 sects (similar to Jews being divided into 72 sects at the time of Jesus). And he said that 72 of those sects will be hell-bound while 1 will be heaven-bound. I do not have the sources to this Hadith but those even fairly knowledgeable in Islam know about it.

Why then were you trying to prove for us your ahmadi faith is true BASED ON THE HADITH OF PROPHET MOHAMMED?

bye bye.

tariqkhwaja · #6 06-25-2008, 10:57 AM

Oh you are good ... kudos.

BUT

I stated that there can be a contradiction between Quran and Hadith. I did not say stating a Hadith is wrong. All I said is that if there is a contradiction between the two we must reject the reported Hadith.

TashaN · #7 06-25-2008, 11:06 PM

Nope, you said in post # 4 "What assurance do we have that all reported Sahih Hadith are accurate?" So, if you are not sure that hadiths are correct then that means you are not even sure of what you believe in, as an ahmadi. BINGO! isn't it so obvious?

tariqkhwaja · #8 06-26-2008, 02:43 AM

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Nope, you said in post # 4 "What assurance do we have that all reported Sahih Hadith are accurate?" So, if you are not sure that hadiths are correct then that means you are not even sure of what you believe in, as an ahmadi. BINGO! isn't it so obvious?

I said: There can be a contradiction.
You said: There can't be because these Hadith are Sahih.
I said: There can be a contradiction because Sahih Hadith can still have human error in reporting.

Therefore, if you can find a contradiction between the Hadith I quoted and the Quran, you are welcome to try. In fact, I must admit, I have the burden of reponsibility to do the exact opposite: prove that the Hadith is very much in line with the Quranic verses. Let me try ... on the other thread.

TashaN · #9 06-26-2008, 03:12 AM

I can't prove anything to you because you will doubt whatever hadith i use, and believe whatever hadith you come up with. Is that right?

tariqkhwaja · #10 06-26-2008, 03:35 AM

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I can't prove anything to you because you will doubt whatever hadith i use, and believe whatever hadith you come up with. Is that right?

Do you believe I do not know the truth? Does that not pain you? Does it not make you want to show me the truth? Look at the Jews and how much fun they made of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). But he did not give up no matter how stupid their arguments were And God told Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) : "... Let not thy soul waste away in sorrow for them ... " [35:8]
And you give up so soon?

Show me a hadith in the apostasy thread which does not contradict the Quran. Show me a verse of the Quran that contradicts the 72 versus 1 hadith in the other thread.

And if you can not do either then please remember me and yourself when you say "Show us the right path" in your daily prayers.