Muslims Only: What if Quran and Sunnah Contradict each other?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

Do you believe I do not know the truth?

I really don't know that. Allah only knows what is in your heart, and all what i can do is to pray for all the Muslims to be united, enough with the sects and enough with the divisions. Do you really feel proud that everybody say ahmadis are kafir and you come here jumping so happily how you are the winner?

Instead of doing that, we really have to cry of how our ummah got divided like that. I'm really so sad for the way you think, and also sad that you didn't even care to reply to my message i sent you few days a go.

Please remember:

[56] It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance. (Quran 28:56)

[tariqkhwaja]

I'm really so sad for the way you think, and also sad that you didn't even care to reply to my message i sent you few days a go.

I am working on the reply.
You have raised a good point, though ... why would God raise another sect to unite Muslims? Another thread though not immediately ... maybe later.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by tariqkhwaja

I am working on the reply.
You have raised a good point, though ... why would God raise another sect to unite Muslims? Another thread though not immediately ... maybe later.

Man, that's the work of human beings and what they do. Why you think Allah would divide us like that if it wasn't from an evil thing which spread amongst us, which we all should work on to eliminate. Why you love so much to divide us tariq?

sects will never bring unity!

[nawab]

1st) if any Haddith Sahih or not Sahih contradicts the Quran we have to beleive in the Quran as it is our Furqan (the criteria to judge right and wrong) However, the reason we say Sahih Haddith is because it dosent contradicts the Quran.

one day the Prophet was upset, Saad bin Abi Waqqas was with the prophet and asked him why is he said, The prophet Replied, My future Umah will fabricate Haddiths in my name. Abi Waqqas said what order is there for us to be prevented from these Fabricated Haddiths, The prophet said if any HAddith contradicts the Quran that Haddith is not supposed to be implemented. In our eastern language we say stick it on the wall.

2nd) there are no Sects in Islam, no matter what you call yourself Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Shaffi, Malaki, Hanbali, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi, Brelvi, Sufi, Naksbandi, Surawardi, Qadtri, Chisti, Qadiyani, Lahori Ahmadi,Khwarji, Jafri, Ishmayeli, Bohra, Zaydi. you are doing the worst Kufr the only title you can give yourself is MUSLIM.

We wont cry if all of us come to this common term that there is only one God and Muhammad is his last messenger. Then there wont be any conflict

[tariqkhwaja]

2nd) there are no Sects in Islam, no matter what you call yourself Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Shaffi, Malaki, Hanbali, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi, Brelvi, Sufi, Naksbandi, Surawardi, Qadtri, Chisti, Qadiyani, Lahori Ahmadi,Khwarji, Jafri, Ishmayeli, Bohra, Zaydi. you are doing the worst Kufr the only title you can give yourself is MUSLIM.

We wont cry if all of us come to this common term that there is only one God and Muhammad is his last messenger. Then there wont be any conflict

It doesn't quite work like that. I discussed this on this thread: Theists Only: Why Another Division.

[tariqkhwaja]

1st) if any Haddith Sahih or not Sahih contradicts the Quran we have to beleive in the Quran as it is our Furqan (the criteria to judge right and wrong) However, the reason we say Sahih Haddith is because it dosent contradicts the Quran.

In this same thread I said:
The exact point with which I diagree. What is the meaning of a Sahih Hadith?
A group of ulema came together, did extensive research, made a criteria for which Hadith are Sahih, and came to the conclusion that the Hadith in 6 books are accurate or Sahih. That is all.
On what authority can we claim that there are no human errors in this process?

God has given us assurances within the Quran that He will protect the Quran. What assurances do we have that all Sahih Hadith are accurate?

Note that Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, and all others are held in high esteem for the work they did and the effort they put into this most noble of tasks. I love them and the work they did. But too much love can bring terrible results (e.g. Christian's love for Jesus).

What assurance do we have that all reported Sahih Hadith are accurate?

[nawab]

I have told you that if in case if a sahih haddith contradicts the Quran, then we should believe in the Quran. As the most reliable word of Allah is the quran,

secondly you said it is not difficult to come to common terms, I think this is the most easiest thing but Satan always makes us ignorant. e.g. the two most common sects in Pakistan are Deobands and Brelvi,

Deobands follow a type of (Wahabism & Sufism) they follow the doctrine of ibn Tammiya, and were formed by Imam Nanotwi Deoband, they are mostly well known as Sipah Sahaba and the famous Al Qaeda and the Jamat Al Tabligh are their organisations. the most famous modern scholar is Maulana Tariq Jamel

Brelvi they follow the principles of Ibn Arabi and were formed by Imam Ahmed Raza Khan Brelvi, They are commonly known as wearing green turbins, their two most famous organisations are Dawat-e-Islami and Idara Minhaj ul Quran, the most famous modern scholars are Sheikh-ul-islam Tahir-ul-Qadri and Sheikh-ul-islam Mohammad Allyas Attar Qaddri

This was just a brief introduction as these sects are not to be found commonly outside the Pakistani Indian Bangladeshi region. Just to show you how ignorant our Muslim brothers get
The Deoband claim that our Prophet Muhammad PBUH was a Bashir (a Human), while the Brelvis
claim that our Prophet PBUH was made of (Noor and was like an angel). they always fight with each other, take over each others mosques just in ignorance. I would just like to tell him why do you have to see what the Prophet was, why cant we accept his message, he was a messenger we are suppose to be focusing on his message, not for who he was. he came to create a Islamic community. and our people start argueing on theories which can not be proven by todays science and technology. If our people start to work on the message, then only we can be prosperous

[tariqkhwaja]

I have told you that if in case if a sahih haddith contradicts the Quran, then we should believe in the Quran. As the most reliable word of Allah is the quran,

Glad we agree. I do not think there is anything more to discuss here.

[nawab]

this topis is not supposed to be discussed as of course the Quran is the Ultimate Criteria for Good and Bad