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Old 06-22-2008, 08:52 AM
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The topic of this thread is the unanimous Islamic ruling. I wish to debate that. I will open a new thread on finality of our Khaatam-an-Nabiyyin, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that a time will come when Islam will be divided into 73 sects (similar to Jews being divided into 72 sects at the time of Jesus). And he said that 72 of those sects will be hell-bound while 1 will be heaven-bound. I do not have the sources to this Hadith but those even fairly knowledgeable in Islam know about it.

1400 years later (remember that Jesus came 1400 years after Moses), Islamic sects are divided as ever. They all call each other Kaafir. Sunnis call Shias kaafir and vice versa. Wahhabis think of Berelvis as Kaafir and vice versa. Yet divided as they are amongst themselves they are united against us. The unanimous verdict has been passed several times against us that we are Kaafir. And this unanimity against us is unique and found and claimed by no other sect of Islam.

But by being united against us they immediately fulfil the prophecy of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Because he said that if a unity between the ALL of the sects of Islam is formed against one sect then ALL those sects are wrong and that one sect is correct. That is why this Ahmadi Muslims consider this unanimous verdict by everyone else a crown on our heads stamping our truth. It is a prophecy that only our enemies could have fulfilled and not us.

Such were the headlines of Pakistani newspapers against us: "In [recent] Islamic history this level of unity in the Ummah has never happened" (gist). I do not know who knows Urdu but here is a photo of the headline: http://www.real-islam.org/urdu/reference/73%20sects.jpg.

Such a beautiful prophecy made by the man (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) whose words are second only to those of the Quran.
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:23 PM
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The topic of this thread is the unanimous Islamic ruling. I wish to debate that. I will open a new thread on finality of our Khaatam-an-Nabiyyin, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that a time will come when Islam will be divided into 73 sects (similar to Jews being divided into 72 sects at the time of Jesus). And he said that 72 of those sects will be hell-bound while 1 will be heaven-bound. I do not have the sources to this Hadith but those even fairly knowledgeable in Islam know about it.

1400 years later (remember that Jesus came 1400 years after Moses), Islamic sects are divided as ever. They all call each other Kaafir. Sunnis call Shias kaafir and vice versa. Wahhabis think of Berelvis as Kaafir and vice versa. Yet divided as they are amongst themselves they are united against us. The unanimous verdict has been passed several times against us that we are Kaafir. And this unanimity against us is unique and found and claimed by no other sect of Islam.

But by being united against us they immediately fulfil the prophecy of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Because he said that if a unity between the ALL of the sects of Islam is formed against one sect then ALL those sects are wrong and that one sect is correct. That is why this Ahmadi Muslims consider this unanimous verdict by everyone else a crown on our heads stamping our truth. It is a prophecy that only our enemies could have fulfilled and not us.

Such were the headlines of Pakistani newspapers against us: "In [recent] Islamic history this level of unity in the Ummah has never happened" (gist). I do not know who knows Urdu but here is a photo of the headline: http://www.real-islam.org/urdu/reference/73%20sects.jpg.

Such a beautiful prophecy made by the man (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) whose words are second only to those of the Quran.
i just think your going off topic and i would love for you to start a khatam -e nabuwat topic please notify if you do
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:51 PM
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Let me add to that. It is not only the Sunni, but also the Shia, Berelvis, Wahhabis and, in fact, every other sect in Islam you can think off. I assure you jamaesi that ALL other sects of Islam believe us to be Kafir. It is a unanimous verdict of their ulema, at least (I don't know about every common man).
It may not mean much, but even though I'm Hanafi, I don't think for a second you're a kaafir. It saddens me that so many here are so quick to judge.
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So you're saying that if they claimed to be Muslim, yet didn't believe in Muhammed, or believed that Jesus was God, they'd be Muslim?
Yep. I leave all the judging up to G-d. Perhaps you should try it, too. Maybe more people on here would respect Islam and Muslims if the Muslims here weren't so quick to judge everyone and point fingers screaming "haram!" and "kafir!"

It's just a thought.


I still don't get how this is such a hard concept to grasp though. Perhaps it's because some people here are just falling over themselves to support terrorists who murder innocents and cause chaos that to see Muslims who are just trying to be peaceful and follow Islam as best they can without hurting anyone are just too mind-blowing to fathom.
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Yep. I leave all the judging up to G-d. Perhaps you should try it, too. Maybe more people on here would respect Islam and Muslims if the Muslims here weren't so quick to judge everyone and point fingers screaming "haram!" and "kafir!"
If only the Muslims here were like jamaesi.......
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If only the Muslims here were like jamaesi.......
No, if only Muslims here acted like Muslims were supposed to act.
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No, if only Muslims here acted like Muslims were supposed to act.
I believe every one should start with him/herself first, Jamaesi, maybe the flaw is in us not our brothers and sisters?!
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Yep. I leave all the judging up to G-d. Perhaps you should try it, too. Maybe more people on here would respect Islam and Muslims if the Muslims here weren't so quick to judge everyone and point fingers screaming &quot;haram!&quot; and &quot;kafir!&quot;

It's just a thought.


I still don't get how this is such a hard concept to grasp though. Perhaps it's because some people here are just falling over themselves to support terrorists who murder innocents and cause chaos that to see Muslims who are just trying to be peaceful and follow Islam as best they can without hurting anyone are just too mind-blowing to fathom.
So you think the muslims here suppoer terrorism just because you don't like the way they think or believe?!That's really rich!
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