Once saved? (Jesus, salvation, grace, doctrine, churches)

[rheff78]

Fellow christians, I ask this because I am curious and I don't want to start spouting off things I don't understand (God knows people do that with me all the time). For those that believe in being saved. I don't quite get it. Does that mean if you have been saved, you are saved for ever? I guess I'm asking, do you no longer have to repent for your sins because you are saved? I only ask because obviously Catholics don't believe in being saved. Just a little help, the concept is lost to me. Peace.

[mball1297]

I know this is for Christians, but I have one question if you wouldn't mind. Are you talking about a different form of being saved than dying and going to Heaven? Sorry, I was just curious, not trying to argue.

[angellous_evangellous]

I have a lot of threads about this - My threads against Calvinism

Christian theology, at least, teaches us that continual repentance is required. Salvation is a process, not a one time event. It's not something that is gained or lost, but a part of an ongoing relationship with God. Contrary to the teachings of Calvin and other Protestants, the activity of human beings is required - God does not do everything in this relationship.

[Charity]

Rheff as I understand it, there are several denominations within the Christian faith that believe"once saved always saved" or " once in grace always in grace" They believe that once they accept Jesus that nothing can separate them from him. I believe that the Southern Baptists believe this and some other Baptist churches, note I said some not all believe this doctrine. I think it is based on the scripture in Romans 24:35. They do not believe that you backslide or go back out in sin, that once you accept Jesus you are a Christian forever.

A lot of the other denominations believe that you can walk away from God and (backslide) but must repent and ask forgiveness in order to retain your walk with God. I'm not sure exactly which churches do believe which interpretation, I'm sure someone else will probably know.

[rheff78]

Well you can be a Charistian and still not be saved. Hitler was a christian, I don't think he's sitting at the right hand of the Father right now!!
Note: I'm not asking you to answer Charity, as you don't believe in once saved always saved.

Edit: That sounded rude didn't it? Not the way I meant it. I meant...oh maybe I should just stop. Didn't mean to sound rude Charity.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Charity

Rheff as I understand it, there are several denominations within the Christian faith that believe"once saved always saved" or " once in grace always in grace" They believe that once they accept Jesus that nothing can separate them from him. I believe that the Southern Baptists believe this and some other Baptist churches, note I said some not all believe this doctrine. I think it is based on the scripture in Romans 24:35. They do not believe that you backslide or go back out in sin, that once you accept Jesus you are a Christian forever.

A lot of the other denominations believe that you can walk away from God and (backslide) but must repent and ask forgiveness in order to retain your walk with God.

Yes... I think that many Christians have a complete misunderstanding of grace.

In ancient times, "grace" and "gifts" were conditional. In the context of the NT, it was a part of patronage language. A client gives the gift of their services, and the patron gives the gift of money, land, food, and other sustinance. The patron is called "Lord, Master, Teacher" and the client is a "friend" or "beloved". That's the context of many parables of Jesus - like the talents, the parable of the lost son, the withered tree and so on.

note: God, Benefactor and Patron

[rheff78]

I believe the Chruch of Christ believes in once saved. My wife used to be in the CoC so that's why I was curious.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by rheff78

I believe the Chruch of Christ believes in once saved. My wife used to be in the CoC so that's why I was curious.

Well, Protestantism is like a box of chocolates...

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by mball1297

I know this is for Christians, but I have one question if you wouldn't mind. Are you talking about a different form of being saved than dying and going to Heaven? Sorry, I was just curious, not trying to argue.

Probably going to heaven.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Charity

Matt the Christians believe that all people have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Once you realize that you are a "sinner" and accept this as fact and then accept Jesus as your Savior, meaning that you believe He is the Son of God, was born of a virgin, came and dwelt among man on earth, was crucified, died for our sins and rose again on the third day.... Then pray the sinners prayer asking God into your life and repenting of your sins, this is called referred to as being "saved".

Then we try to live as close to the example that Jesus gave us as we can...


Different churches have different doctrine about whether you can stay saved, or whether like AE stated in his post.