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Old 04-11-2008, 08:09 PM
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Indirectly, yes. The Book of Hebrews says that after Jesus' ascension, he became our high priest. As high priest, he "sat down at the right hand of the Father." The High Priest sits down only after his work (administering salvation from God) is finished. So this passage implies that after his resurrection, Jesus had no further work to do with respect to salvation. Thus for Jesus to have appeared ANYWHERE after the resurrection and before the final judgment would contradict scripture.
See, this is the problem with doing your "research" via anti-mormon websites rather than original sources...

When do you believe LDS scripture claims that Jesus visited the America's?
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:17 PM
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Indirectly, yes. The Book of Hebrews says that after Jesus' ascension, he became our high priest. As high priest, he "sat down at the right hand of the Father." The High Priest sits down only after his work (administering salvation from God) is finished. So this passage implies that after his resurrection, Jesus had no further work to do with respect to salvation. Thus for Jesus to have appeared ANYWHERE after the resurrection and before the final judgment would contradict scripture.
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Does the High Priest ever get up again, to do other kinds of work? I would argue that Jesus' ministry in America (in addition to the timing that Comprehend points out) was not part of the work of salvation. That work was indeed done.

That's not to say He can't ever appear anywhere He wants to, though.
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Unfortunately your idea of peace is not possible in this world. Why?

1. We were already warned by Peter ( second letter 2:1) "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." and warrned by John (first letter 4:1) "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Why would their be false prophets? Peter said in his second letter(2:3) "Those teachers are never satisfied. They want to get something out of you. So they make up stories to take advantage of you. They have been under a sentence of death for a long time. The One who will destroy them has not been sleeping. "

How do you make sure you are not taken advantage of? Paul said to the Cornthians in first letter (4:13) "We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; That is why paul reiterated further in verse 6 if the same letter and chapter " And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." Paul further stated in 2 Cor 12:18 "I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?

Paul and Titus were in the same spirit, The real church will follow a single non-contradicting doctrine as stated by John 7:16-18 "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

The bible is pretty consistent, if you will seek the glory of the lord you will not seek your own. hence the preacher of God's doctrin shall exprience what Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew 10:24 " The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord" and therefore shall experience the following MAtthew 10:22"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Hence, that is why Matthew said in Chapter 5:10-11 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

There can't be peace, a lot of people will seek there own glory rather than God's and they will persecute those who seek's God's will.


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If you think George Washington had three arms and I think he is green, that doesn't make two George Washingtons...
if the real george washington is caucasian and has two arms, that makes the george washington you know a different GW!
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if the real george washington is caucasian and has two arms, that makes the george washington you know a different GW!
No, it makes the other belief mistaken. Claiming that there are two George Washingtons is an unnecessary construct.
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No, it makes the other belief mistaken.

I agree.... two contradicting concepts cannot be both true...
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Chances are in the future when we know more than we do now (if we don't kill each other first) the idea of god will be myth just like the gods of The Roman Empire, Greece, Egypt, the Celt's, etc. these things have a way of going away after a few thousand years and better education of the people. What people laugh at today as far as what people believed in the past a thousand years from now people will be laughing at us.
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Unfortunately your idea of peace is not possible in this world. Why?

1. We were already warned by Peter ( second letter 2:1) "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." and warrned by John (first letter 4:1) "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Why would their be false prophets? Peter said in his second letter(2:3) "Those teachers are never satisfied. They want to get something out of you. So they make up stories to take advantage of you. They have been under a sentence of death for a long time. The One who will destroy them has not been sleeping. "

How do you make sure you are not taken advantage of? Paul said to the Cornthians in first letter (4:13) "We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; That is why paul reiterated further in verse 6 if the same letter and chapter " And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." Paul further stated in 2 Cor 12:18 "I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?

Paul and Titus were in the same spirit, The real church will follow a single non-contradicting doctrine as stated by John 7:16-18 "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

The bible is pretty consistent, if you will seek the glory of the lord you will not seek your own. hence the preacher of God's doctrin shall exprience what Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew 10:24 " The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord" and therefore shall experience the following MAtthew 10:22"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Hence, that is why Matthew said in Chapter 5:10-11 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

There can't be peace, a lot of people will seek there own glory rather than God's and they will persecute those who seek's God's will.
This is a nice post ... i wonder why people are silent about it ... it answers the thread right on the money!!!
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