LDS Church To Talk With Gay Advocacy Group (priest, moral)

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

as i have said before, it doesn't matter to me if other people think we aren't chrisitan. how does that relate to homosexual urges?

"You have much to learn young Jedi....." if you think it's just "urges." If this is your opinion, then I assume that you are under the opinion that your feelings towards your wife are just "heterosexual urges."

Originally Posted by madhatter85

and the blanket term you used, "We" you placed yourself in there by stating "we" are you one of those who doesn't feel it is neccesary to try and overcome challenges you are faced with?

You do realize that these supposed "urges" are not the sin?

It's acting on it that's the sin, or did you miss that memo?

So guess what, being a bisexual, straight, gay, lesbian, etc.; is not a sin! It is if you act on that, it is.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Bishka

"You have much to learn young Jedi....." if you think it's just "urges." If this is your opinion, then I assume that you are under the opinion that your feelings towards your wife are just "heterosexual urges."



You do realize that these supposed "urges" are not the sin?

It's acting on it that's the sin, or did you miss that memo?

So guess what, being a bisexual, straight, gay, lesbian, etc.; is not a sin! It is if you act on that, it is.

you still havent answered the question.

and nevermind what my opinions are against homosexuality in any form, they parallel that of the church leadership. -fin

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

you still havent answered the question.

and nevermind what my opinions are against homosexuality in any form, they parallel that of the church leadership. -fin

Do they?

From the Church's News Website

PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Let’s say my 17-year-old son comes to talk to me and, after a great deal of difficulty trying to get it out, tells me that he believes that he’s attracted to men — that he has no interest and never has had any interest in girls. He believes he’s probably gay. He says that he’s tried to suppress these feelings. He’s remained celibate, but he realizes that his feelings are going to be devastating to the family because we’ve always talked about his Church mission, about his temple marriage and all those kinds of things. He just feels he can’t live what he thinks is a lie any longer, and so he comes in this very upset and depressed manner. What do I tell him as a parent?

ELDER OAKS: You’re my son. You will always be my son, and I’ll always be there to help you.


The distinction between feelings or inclinations on the one hand, and behavior on the other hand, is very clear. It’s no sin to have inclinations that if yielded to would produce behavior that would be a transgression. The sin is in yielding to temptation. Temptation is not unique. Even the Savior was tempted.

This seems to be more in line with what Katzpur and I were referring to.

You seem to think that none of us should even be GBLT and that it is a "sin" to feel that way, isn't that right?

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Homosexuality is no more a sin than heterosexuality, MH. Sexual relations outside of marriage are what's sinful.

That's a touchy position to take. Are married homosexuals committing sin when they have relations?

[zippythepinhead]

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

That's a touchy position to take. Are married homosexuals committing sin when they have relations?

Homosexual relations of any kind are a sin. The Church has officially stated it will not recognize non heterosexual marriages or unions. Homosexuality is a sin in the Church no matter what the law of the land says. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman. No common law stuff, no shacking up, swinging, adultery, whips and chains, homosexuality of any kind period, fornication, consensual sex outside of marriage, porno, mastrubation(single, married or otherwise), sodomy, polygamy, lap dancing. The Church's stand is very clear. There is no sexual relationship or behavior outside of heterosexual marriage that is not sinful before God. In marriage there is total fidelity to one's spouse. Period.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by zippythepinhead

Homosexual relations of any kind are a sin. The Church has officially stated it will not recognize non heterosexual marriages or unions. Homosexuality is a sin in the Church no matter what the law of the land says. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman. No common law stuff, no shacking up, swinging, adultery, whips and chains, homosexuality of any kind period, fornication, consensual sex outside of marriage, porno, mastrubation(single, married or otherwise), sodomy, polygamy, lap dancing. The Church's stand is very clear. There is no sexual relationship or behavior outside of heterosexual marriage that is not sinful before God. In marriage there is total fidelity to one's spouse. Period.

Amen. Kudos

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Bishka

Do they?

From the Church's News Website



This seems to be more in line with what Katzpur and I were referring to.

You seem to think that none of us should even be GBLT and that it is a "sin" to feel that way, isn't that right?

It is still a Sin to dwell on such things rather than remove them from your mind.

Sitting and thinking about Porn is just as bad as looking at Porn when you have no intention of pushing those thoughts out of your head. same for any kind of "inclinations"

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by zippythepinhead

whips and chains, lap dancing. The Church's stand is very clear.

It is?

Could you care to explain how this is not okay in marriage, in a private setting?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by zippythepinhead

Homosexual relations of any kind are a sin.

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If you've actually read the thread, some of us aren't actually talking about "relations," we were referring to thoughts and feelings. As far as I'm concerned I wasn't aware those were sins.