LDS Church To Talk With Gay Advocacy Group (priest, moral)

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Empathy is impossible for those not struggling to overcome Same Sex Attraction.

Sympathy is all we can offer to help those who may be going through a difficult time to try and help them overcome it.

Who said we were struggling?

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Bishka

Who said we were struggling?

If you are not struggling with it, why place yourself under that blanket term?

if you aren't struggling with it, why bother demanding acceptance at all?

[silvermoon383]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

if you aren't struggling with it, why bother demanding acceptance at all?

I'll let Captain Riker explain my position on all of this, he summed it up far better than I could:

"I've been studying this ritual of yours. Do you know what I've decided? I think it's despicable. I hate everything about it...the casual disregard for life, the way it tries to cloak suicide in some glorious notion of honor....I may have to respect your beliefs...but I don't have to like them."

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by silvermoon383

I'll let Captain Riker explain my position on all of this, he summed it up far better than I could:

"I've been studying this ritual of yours. Do you know what I've decided? I think it's despicable. I hate everything about it...the casual disregard for life, the way it tries to cloak suicide in some glorious notion of honor....I may have to respect your beliefs...but I don't have to like them."

that's not respecting the beliefs, but respecting thier personal space about thier beliefs.

Repsecting the person is the most important part, we do not have to repect the Gay lifestyle or Attitude. but we don't go around hollering at them telling them they are going to burn in hell. instead we try to help them because we love all mankind and want them to have all the blessings of the eternities just as everyone else.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

that's not respecting the beliefs, but respecting thier personal space about thier beliefs.

Repsecting the person is the most important part, we do not have to repect the Gay lifestyle or Attitude. but we don't go around hollering at them telling them they are going to burn in hell. instead we try to help them because we love all mankind and want them to have all the blessings of the eternities just as everyone else.

respectful question:

is there a difference between telling them they will burn in hell, and insulting them by telling them they can overcome their sexuality?

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Mike182

respectful question:

is there a difference between telling them they will burn in hell, and insulting them by telling them they can overcome their sexuality?

a very big difference. in the words of Gordon B Hinckley in a Larry King interview about Gays and Gay marriage

HINCKLEY: Well, we're not anti-gay. We are pro-family. Let me put it that way.
And we love these people and try to work with them and help them. We know they have a problem. We want to help them solve that problem.
KING: A problem they caused, or they were born with?
HINCKLEY: I don't know. I'm not an expert on these things. I don't pretend to be an expert on these things. The fact is, they have a problem.
KING: Do you favor some sort of state union?
HINCKLEY: Well, we want to be very careful about that, because that - whatever may lead to gay marriage, we're not in favor of.
We - many people don't get married. Goodness sakes alive. You know that.
Many people who have to discipline themselves. If they transgress, they become subject to the discipline of the Church. But we try in every way that we know how to help them, to assist them, to bless their lives.

Homosexuality is just as much of a sin to us as having sexual relations outside of marriage. It's all part of the law of chastity. for us, Marriage is Ordained of God and to only be between a Man and a Woman.

We don't hate gay people, we just recognize that they have a problem and we want to help them.

Then you may say "we don;t want your help" and that's fine.... the same can be said for someone struggling with pronography or having relations before being married, there are those that disagree that they need help, but we believe they do, but we don't try to help where we aren't wanted.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Bishka

We don't want your sympathy.

Sympathy doesn't change anything.

We want change, we want a bit more acceptance and we don't want to be looked down because of our sexual orientation.

No, instead of sympathy, try empathy.

Originally Posted by Bishka

You do realize that empathy and sympathy are two different things, right?

How can you be empathetic if you've never experienced it?

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

If it is impossible to be empathetic without experiencing it - why did you ask for empathy from those who have never experienced it???

I was wondering the same thing.

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

If you are not struggling with it, why place yourself under that blanket term?

What "blanket term," would you be referring to?

Originally Posted by madhatter85

if you aren't struggling with it, why bother demanding acceptance at all?

If you aren't struggling with being a Mormon why bother demanding that we call you a Christian at all?