Christians--Do Evangelicals Believe Everyone Else Going to Hell? (Jesus Christ, gospel)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Dunemeister

The creeds are intended to summarize what the bible teaches. You and I disagree about whether they do so successfully.

I owe you an apology. I misread your statement. I thought you were saying that the creeds summarize what the Bible intended to say. In re-reading your post, I see that I was obviously wrong about that. I still don't see how they can summarize a concept that the Bible doesn't appear to be teaching, but I guess we will never see eye to eye on that because you do believe the Bible teaches that the Father and the Son are "one substance." I just think it teaches that they are "one."

[Dunemeister]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I owe you an apology. I misread your statement. I thought you were saying that the creeds summarize what the Bible intended to say. In re-reading your post, I see that I was obviously wrong about that. I still don't see how they can summarize a concept that the Bible doesn't appear to be teaching, but I guess we will never see eye to eye on that because you do believe the Bible teaches that the Father and the Son are "one substance." I just think it teaches that they are "one."

No worries. That's a fair approximation of our disagreement, Katzpur.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by budhabee

Howdy Ratiocinative. This us vs them thing is getting tiresome. Something is wrong with this way of thinking. Jesus said: "I am not a divider. Do I look like a divider?"
I believe this quote comes from the Nag Hammadi. Our Lord could not be leaving out so many people who have never even heard of the bible or read it due to where they live and the upbringing they are subjected to. What say you?

Budhabee

Jesus isn't a divider?

Matthew 10:34-36

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[e]

Jesus wasn't promoting disunity, he was saying that family member and friends will disagree about theological issues concerning the Messiah/ Himself. I'm curious how you read this Scripture.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Jesus isn't a divider?

Jesus wasn't promoting disunity, he was saying that family member and friends will disagree about theological issues concerning the Messiah/ Himself. I'm curious how you read this Scripture.

I don't think Jesus is the divider. We are the dividers. The concept that some people aren't "real" Christians started with the Apostles. Jesus had to remind even them that they needed to stop being so exclusionary.

Mark 9:38-40 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

[budhabee]

uh huh love but that did not answer the question. People in the third world or an illiterate world who may not even have a alphabet or not be allowed to read the Bible are condemmed to hell????? Ask yourself if you would condemm them to hell. Is that the way our Christ would be? I think not. Reply?

[Ratiocinative]

Originally Posted by budhabee

uh huh love but that did not answer the question. People in the third world or an illiterate world who may not even have a alphabet or not be allowed to read the Bible are condemmed to hell????? Ask yourself if you would condemm them to hell. Is that the way our Christ would be? I think not. Reply?

As I said before, if the Bible says that people can be saved without believing in Christ, then prove it. Quote a scripture that shows someone being saved without believing in Christ. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

As I said before, if the Bible says that people can be saved without believing in Christ, then prove it. Quote a scripture that shows someone being saved without believing in Christ. Otherwise you're just making stuff up.

There are some Christians who seem determined to turn all non-Christians off to Christianity. What a shame.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Dunemeister

What are MSCs?

Main Stream Christians

This is getting WAY past the topic of this thread, but I restate what I've said elsewhere on this topic. My bible says the same as yours:

Then God said, ‘Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.’

"Us" does not imply plurality. Here God is speaking in the same way as, say, the Queen of England does when she says "we" to mean "I". In linguistic terms, this is called "the plurality of majesty."

You are correct that it is not implying anything... it just says it.

If it meant actual plurality, we would expect the Jewish people to believe in many gods. But they don't. So it doesn't.

That my friend is what we call circular logic...