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Old 05-15-2008, 08:13 PM
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What does it have to do with the contents?
I was just replying to a statement you made, Marc. If you don't want me to comment on something you've said that is off-topic, don't make any more off-topic posts.

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specially the verse that states "THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I"?
The Father is greater than the Son. I believe that. Are you happy now?
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:42 PM
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I was just replying to a statement you made, Marc. If you don't want me to comment on something you've said that is off-topic, don't make any more off-topic posts.
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The Father is greater than the Son. I believe that. Are you happy now?
yes ma'm i am ...
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Not by me. .. the COMPLETE teaching @ the Trinity is the only way to interpret all the data.... otherwise you get the "dueling" Bible verse battles fought by the likes of bigd.

That this rule of faith has come down to us from the beginning of the gospel, even before any of the older heretics... will be apparent ... from the lateness of date which marks all heresies."

Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 2 (post A.D. 213).
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Jesus is equal with God:
Jesus was refering to divinity not status on the hierarchy. " the father is greater than I" said Jesus.

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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, everything else will:
Why are there unqual repercussions for sins against the three entities to CLAIM to be Equal?

you just stressed they are not equal, which contradicts the concept of the trinity as proposed by catholic doctrine.

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I think while not explicit in the Bible, the Trinity is a logical conclusion given the data at hand. Whether you agree with it or not, I believe it can be clearly drawn from the Bible.

This is your imagination sir, I am sorry!
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Well in my understanding, Divine is as high up in the hierarchy as you can get...

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" the father is greater than I" said Jesus
I agree... Philemon 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

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you just stressed they are not equal, which contradicts the concept of the trinity as proposed by catholic doctrine.
No, I stressed that they are different/seperate.

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This is your imagination sir, I am sorry!
No, it isn't, as I explained in my post. Regardless of you agreeing with it, the Trinity can be taken from the Bible.
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No, it isn't, as I explained in my post. Regardless of you agreeing with it, the Trinity can be taken from the Bible.
Sad part is, like with most things, this fellow does not have a clue what the dogma of the Trinity actually is... he just knows "it's wrong!".... gotta pray for em.
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The contents of the bible is perfect, the original manuscripts are perfect. all you have to do is refer to the originals if there are contradictions...
Problem is, there are no "originals." What we have is what we have. We don't know what the originals said, because we don't have them. This is why exegesis and a critical approach to what we do have is so important. Reading the Trinity out of the scriptures is a valid interpretation. You don't have to agree with it -- but that interpretation is valid.
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