Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by sojourner

You're so far off base, it's pathetic. First of all, Roman Catholic Church isn't a name, it's a descriptor. Ask any Catholic. They'll tell you that they're a member of "the Church."

You don't associate yourselves with the "Church that is written," or you would acssociate yourselves with the Church that recognizes the succession of bishops.

None of this is important to the argument at hand. Fact is, the Trinity is ancient -- as ancient as the NT writers. They incorporated that theology into their writings, implicitly, but not explicitly. It is that implicit theology that later apostles drew out of the scriptures and made explicit in the doctrine of the Trinity.

As you said, "Christian doctrine is in the Bible," as the Trinity certainly is implied. "If you do not believe what is written in the Bible, you are not Christian."

See the book "the faith of our fathers" it is a catholic book explaining the doctrine of the trinity.

It states in chapter one that: "teaches there is but one God with 3 distinct persons who are equal to each other" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book,and the catholic cardinals that approved it)


The question of this thread is again " is the trinity biblical?

let us see if the catholic presentation of the trinity consistent with the bible.

1. Catholic book states " 3 distinct persons who are CO-EQUAL" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book, and the catholic cardinals that approved it.)

1. Bible states:
John 10:29


"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Ephesians 1:21
This is referring to Christ and the church.

"Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:"

THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE STATES THE TRINITI IS COMPOSED OF THREE DISTINCT PERSONS THAT ARE CO-EQUAL.

AS YOU HAVE READ IN THE VERSES ABOVE ARE THEY REALLY CO-EQUAL?

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

See the book "the faith of our fathers" it is a catholic book explaining the doctrine of the trinity.

It states in chapter one that: "teaches there is but one God with 3 distinct persons who are equal to each other" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book,and the catholic cardinals that approved it)


The question of this thread is again " is the trinity biblical?

let us see if the catholic presentation of the trinity consistent with the bible.

1. Catholic book states " 3 distinct persons who are CO-EQUAL" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book, and the catholic cardinals that approved it.)

1. Bible states:
John 10:29


"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Ephesians 1:21
This is referring to Christ and the church.

"Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:"

THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE STATES THE TRINITI IS COMPOSED OF THREE DISTINCT PERSONS THAT ARE CO-EQUAL.

AS YOU HAVE READ IN THE VERSES ABOVE ARE THEY REALLY CO-EQUAL?

John 14, 9 Jesus said to him, " Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say 'show us the Father'?

I believe that while Jesus often did not make himself appear as equal to the Father He was and is, since what Loving Eternal Father would not make his only Son equal to Him . Especially a Son who died on a Cross... which would explain John 1, 1

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by ChristineES

This is being debated on another thread and I know that it has probably been discussed to death but...
Is it? I never really questioned it until recently. Does the bible truly say that God is "Three Persons of One Essence"? I am not questioning whether Jesus is God because I still believe that with no question.
Any verses and explanations (I would prefer that verses also contain what you get from them if that is possible) are welcome.

No, I don't think the bible *truly* says that God is "Three Persons of One Essence."

There are a few verses that one may take out of context and construe them to possibly allow that sort of interpretation but taking the teachings of the bible as a whole, it overwhelmingly shows Jesus and God the Father to be distinct individuals.


For example (info taken from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism): The three separate members of the Godhead (Father, Son, HG) are manifested separately in the Baptism of Jesus - Matt. 3:16-17, the stoning of Stephen - Acts 7:55-56.

John 17:9-11, 20-21 helps explain how they are one (in purpose rather than essence).

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

I believe that while Jesus often did not make himself appear as equal to the Father He was and is, since what Loving Eternal Father would not make his only Son equal to Him

" the father is greater than i"

Greater is not the same as equal in any english dictionary. unless you have your "own interpretation apart from truth"

If that is what you believe, and you obviously believe differently than what Christ believes.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

" the father is greater than i"

Greater is not the same as equal in any english dictionary. unless you have your "own interpretation apart from truth"

If that is what you believe, and you obviously believe differently than what Christ believes.

You forgot to add the quote from Jesus Christ. Of course I don't think that matters to you as much as trying to look right. The quote was John 14,9

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

You forgot to add the quote from Jesus Christ. Of course I don't think that matters to you as much as trying to look right. The quote was John 14,9

You can interpret that verse whichever way you want sir.

But the point still stands, The Catholic Chruch in the book "faith of our fathers" described the trinity as composed of 3 CO-EQUAL entities.

Jesus said " The Father is Greater than I"

Not until you can prove than Greater means equal, or that Jesus was just patronizing the father, The Catholic Church's Doctrine of the Trinity will never be biblical.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

You can interpret that verse whichever way you want sir.

But the point still stands, The Catholic Chruch in the book "faith of our fathers" described the trinity as composed of 3 CO-EQUAL entities.

Jesus said " The Father is Greater than I"

Not until you can prove than Greater means equal, or that Jesus was just patronizing the father, The Catholic Church's Doctrine of the Trinity will never be biblical.

What's to interpret? Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just don't get it? It wouldn't be a sin you know.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

What's to intepret? Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just don't get it?

it is your pride talking.

GREATER and EQUAL will never have the same meaning, why are you evading that point?

Sir, I was once catholic, i have been to your viewpoint. how in the world can i not get where you are coming from?

But whether you admit it or not, you close your mind to my viewpoint. Hence, you are just limiting your self to truth that you know. how much of the truth do you really know?

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

it is your pride talking.

GREATER and EQUAL will never have the same meaning, why are you evading that point?

Sir, I was once catholic, i have been to your viewpoint. how in the world can i not get where you are coming from?

But whether you admit it or not, you close your mind to my viewpoint. Hence, you are just limiting your self to truth that you know. how much of the truth do you really know?

Who's pride talking? I have yet to meet two catholics who think exactly alike so it is easy for you not to know where I'm coming from. And printing in really big letters might be drama but it won't make your arguments better.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

Who's pride talking? I have yet to meet two catholics who think exactly alike so it is easy for you not to know where I'm coming from. And printing in really big letters might be drama but it won't make your arguments better.

I will leave that to those whose reading the threads with an open heart.

I am sorry i had to argue with you, I just want to stand up for the truth that is in the Bible.