Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

St Patrick is not biblical, he coined the concept of the trinity, then the trinity is not biblical.



I know a lot of the truth that you claim is true, i know your veiwpoint inside out.

The "concept" of the Holy Trinity was not coined by St. Patrick. He merely taught it. You really do not know as much as you believe you do. Oh and by the way, I don't recall seeing the name Eliseo Soriano in the Bible to use your own standard for truth.

[RedRain]

source: Jesus is God

Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1

“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”

His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14

John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’

Also, from John 1. "...the Word was God." "...the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

Matthew 28:18 "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

Jesus was God born on earth. His soul was God. The reason He spoke to the Father as if they were separate is because of the humanity inherited from His mother Mary. It was necessary for Him to take on some humanity to save the human race. This is where the apparent separation arises from. But when Jesus arose back to heaven, He is now the face of God. He is God, as He has always been.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!"

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

The "concept" of the Holy Trinity was not coined by St. Patrick. He merely taught it. You really do not know as much as you believe you do. Oh and by the way, I don't recall seeing the name Eliseo Soriano in the Bible to use your own standard for truth.

Michel, you are opening a can of worms on your part.

first, my preacher's name is not suppose to be in the bible, but he reads the bible and preaches everything in it. He get's persecuted by our government becasue of it.

Which reminds me, "the servent is not greater than his master, if i was persecuted and so will you" so, the name of my preacher is not in the bible, but the state of his life is.The state of our church is very much in the bible as well.

Second, the name of my church is in the bible, because we associated ourselves with the church that is written. CAN YOU FIND "THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRUCH ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE?"

If you do not believe in what is written in the bible you are not Christian. You have evaded the verses i have presented to you, and resorted to personal attacks. dont attack personalities. let us focus on doctrine. and chrsitian doctrine is the bible.

The Christ you claim to believe is in the bible. so, who do you really beleive? St patrick?

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Michel, you are opening a can of worms on your part.

first, my preacher's name is not suppose to be in the bible, but he reads the bible and preaches everything in it. He get's persecuted by our government becasue of it.

Which reminds me, "the servent is not greater than his master, if i was persecuted and so will you" so, the name of my preacher is not in the bible, but the state of his life is.The state of our church is very much in the bible as well.

Second, the name of my church is in the bible, because we associated ourselves with the church that is written. CAN YOU FIND "THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHRUCH ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE?"

If you do not believe in what is written in the bible you are not Christian. You have evaded the verses i have presented to you, and resorted to personal attacks. dont attack personalities. let us focus on doctrine. and chrsitian doctrine is the bible.

The Christ you claim to believe is in the bible. so, who do you really beleive? St patrick?

I was pointing out the error you were in when claiming that the Holy Trinity was the concept of St. Patrick.There is nothing wrong with that.You claim not to be able to believe anything St. Patrick said because his name is not in the Bible but you can believe your preacher even though his name is not in the Bible either. Do you even see the duplicity in that? While you take shots at the Catholic Church you get indignant when the source of your group is questioned. I can see this isn't going anywhere though because even relevant scripture that I have pointed out is denied by you if it does not meet your anti Catholic bias and interpretation. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is closed. God's Church did not start yesterday though it is good that you profess God and Jesus. I will pray for you as well. Good day sir.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

I was pointing out the error you were in when claiming that the Holy Trinity was the concept of St. Patrick.There is nothing wrong with that.You claim not to be able to believe anything St. Patrick said because his name is not in the Bible but you can believe your preacher even though his name is not in the Bible either. Do you even see the duplicity in that? While you take shots at the Catholic Church you get indignant when the source of your group is questioned. I can see this isn't going anywhere though because even relevant scripture that I have pointed out is denied by you if it does not meet your anti Catholic bias and interpretation. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is closed. God's Church did not start yesterday though it is good that you profess God and Jesus. I will pray for you as well. Good day sir.

THE POINT IS THIS. ARE ST PATRICKS WORDS IN THE BIBLE? nope!

DOES MY PREACHER AND MY SELF QUOTE WORDS FROM THE BIBLE? absolutely!

so who is biblical? Patrick or Eliseo soriano?

what point in the above analogy do you not understand?


This conversation is closed because you can never biblically defend the Trinity. humbly admit you're wrong .sir.

for "blessed are the humble for theirs the kingdom of heaven"

Originally Posted by Michel07

. God's Church did not start yesterday .

The church did not start yesteday, that is why i repeatedly said WE ASSOCIATED OURSELVES WITH THE CHURCH IN THE BIBLE.

which part of that statement do you not understand?

[uss_bigd]

[quote=Michel07;1120772] While you take shots at the Catholic Church you get indignant when the source of your group is questioned. I can see this isn't going anywhere though because even relevant scripture that I have pointed out is denied by you if it does not meet your anti Catholic bias and interpretation. [quote]


Is it my fault that Peter was married? and your church hasa vow of celibacy? did i create that contradiction? is it a fact?


In what way was i indignant when you question the source of my group? I merely replied with "My group beleives we associated ourselves with the church of the bible. "

That is why the name our church is the same one as the one in the bible. it is not my fault that your church is named differently.

Taking shots is different from stating facts.

[4nashiym]

Originally Posted by Michel07

I was pointing out the error you were in when claiming that the Holy Trinity was the concept of St. Patrick.There is nothing wrong with that.You claim not to be able to believe anything St. Patrick said because his name is not in the Bible but you can believe your preacher even though his name is not in the Bible either. Do you even see the duplicity in that? While you take shots at the Catholic Church you get indignant when the source of your group is questioned. I can see this isn't going anywhere though because even relevant scripture that I have pointed out is denied by you if it does not meet your anti Catholic bias and interpretation. As far as I'm concerned this conversation is closed. God's Church did not start yesterday though it is good that you profess God and Jesus. I will pray for you as well. Good day sir.

I think it is not whether the source's name is written in the Bible or not that makes sense for Christians to believe him. Instead, it is the the Scriptures where the source is basing his teachings.

I would say that we should believe even a child who reads and quotes the scripture rightfully but we should not believe a saint or even an angel from heaven who teaches "another gospel" other than Jesus Christ and the apostles have taught. (see Galatians 1:8-10)
regards,
4nashiym

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by 4nashiym

I think it is not whether the source's name is written in the Bible or not that makes sense for Christians to believe him. Instead, it is the the Scriptures where the source is basing his teachings.

I would say that we should believe even a child who reads and quotes the scripture rightfully but we should not believe a saint or even an angel from heaven who teaches "another gospel" other than Jesus Christ and the apostles have taught. (see Galatians 1:8-10)
regards,
4nashiym

There you go...

[mball1297]

Wow, this is like a clash of the titans in here.