Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Rather than put words into your mouth (I hate it when people do that to me), I'm going to ask you to explain what you believe that means. I understand it as meaning, "I look like my Father." Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus was "the express image of his [Father's] person." If this is the case, it substantiates my belief that the Father and the Son look exactly alike. The Son is in the "express image" of His Father. It's impossible to be in the image of oneself, since an image is clearly separate from the original.

Well, that makes two of us, and I certainly wouldn't want to come across as if I think I know everything there is to know. Two things I do know, though, are that (1) eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ, whom He sent here to earth and (2) God is not the author of confusion. We may not know everything about Him, but He is far less complicated than the philosophies of men have made Him.

Oh so true! Why do Christians resist the simple answer? They have to admit it's so easy to understand and scripturally supported.
I think the reason for the resistance might be that to question the trinity, means you then have to question everything about your theology, and many aren't willing to go there. It's just easier to go with the mysteries-of-God attitude.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

Sigh indeed. What I am trying to point out is that ALL of the TRUTH is not in the Bible in the first place and that truth is Biblical. Read again John 21, 25

What I do believe is all the truth we need to know is in scripture. But to consolidate my former point which may seem as blasphemy to you... I shall defer to St. Paul....
" Therefore, Brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours." 2 Thess. 2, 15.

tsk tsk. I feel sad my friend.

Christ's teachings are in the bible. to be rightfully called Christian we must follow the teachings of christ. you are interpreting John 21:25 incorrectly.

John 21:25

and there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen

This verse did not refer to the truth, it referred to the things that Jesus did. that his works are so majestic it will not fit in the bible. which is exprected from the son of God.

How i wish you could have meant this when you refer to the truth

1. John 1:14
   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2. John 17:17
   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus is the truth, and he is in the bible.

Originally Posted by Michel07

" Therefore, Brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours." 2 Thess. 2, 15.

Paul referred to the apostles, which included himself. not st Patrick.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

tsk tsk. I feel sad my friend.

Christ's teachings are in the bible. to be rightfully called Christian we must follow the teachings of christ. you are interpreting John 21:25 incorrectly.

John 21:25

and there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen

This verse did not refer to the truth, it referred to the things that Jesus did. that his works are so majestic it will not fit in the bible. which is exprected from the son of God.

How i wish you could have meant this when you refer to the truth

1. John 1:14
   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2. John 17:17
   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus is the truth, and he is in the bible.





Paul referred to the apostles, which included himself. not st Patrick.

Yes indeed Jesus is in the Bible but He is more than the Bible for he is the Living God.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Christ's teachings are in the bible. to be rightfully called Christian we must follow the teachings of christ.

And the greatest of all Christ's teachings was what? To interpret every doctrine correctly?

you are interpreting John 21:25 incorrectly.

Whether that is the case or not, a difference in interpretation does not exclude a person from the Christian family. Jesus said (in Mark 9:40 and Luke 9:50) that "he that is not against us is for us." Do you believe that Michel is against Christ? He doesn't seem to be to me.

and there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.

To me, it makes logical sense to interpret this as meaning that not everything Jesus said or did was recorded. Stop and think about what the four gospels contain. For a three-year ministry, He must have said more than is mentioned in those relatively few pages.

Jesus is the truth, and he is the bible.

Actually, Jesus isn't the Bible, but I'm suspect this was just a typo.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

Yes indeed Jesus is in the Bible but He is more than the Bible for he is the Living God.

That is what john 21:25.

so does St Patrick complete what was not written about jesus in the bible?

who is he anyway? he is not even biblical, and you have evaded this point from the first post.

You are accountable to your own conscience my friend.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

tsk tsk. I feel sad my friend.

Christ's teachings are in the bible. to be rightfully called Christian we must follow the teachings of christ. you are interpreting John 21:25 incorrectly.

John 21:25

and there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen

This verse did not refer to the truth, it referred to the things that Jesus did. that his works are so majestic it will not fit in the bible. which is exprected from the son of God.

How i wish you could have meant this when you refer to the truth

1. John 1:14
   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2. John 17:17
   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus is the truth, and he is in the bible.





Paul referred to the apostles, which included himself. not st Patrick.

Are you going to have a problem with things passed down by the apostles but that are not written in the Bible?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

Are you going to have a problem with things passed down by the apostles but that are not written in the Bible?

There are no things past down from the apostles that are not in the bible.

1 Cor 4:6

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."

It is pretty clear. do not go beyond that which is written in so that no one will puff up against one another.


look at what John said:

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand


It is clear sir, its either you accept it or reject it.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

There are no things past down from the apostles that are not in the bible.

1 Cor 4:6

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."

It is pretty clear. do not go beyond that which is written in so that no one will puff up against one another.


look at what John said:

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand


It is clear sir, its either you accept it or reject it.

I'm sorry but I feel this is getting silly. I'f St. Patrick is not capable of saying any truth because he is not in the Bible then neither are you capable of speaking truth because you are not in the Bible and neither is your " prophet." Frankly you are not in a better position than Saint Patrick by your own standards.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

I'm sorry but I feel this is getting silly. I'f St. Patrick is not capable of saying any truth because he is not in the Bible then neither are you capable of speaking truth because you are not in the Bible and neither is your " prophet." Frankly you are not in a better position than Saint Patrick by your own standards.

I never said anything from myself, I read the words of the people that are in the bible.

Besides who is St Patrick is he greater than christ to you?