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Old 04-07-2008, 08:53 PM
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God's essence I think is precisely that, His 'Being'.
Now we're going around in circles. God's essense is His being and His being is His essence. I don't know any more now than when I started.
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It is not enought that you mention that 'it is significant and discussed in numerrous occassions. you have to biblically prove that the trinity is significant. besides, this is a biblical debate.

Are you saying interpreted the verse incorrectly? how so? and what is the correct interpretation then?

you said "one cultural source'? explain that biblically.


this is a biblical debate, i wish to see verses. thank you!
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:59 PM
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"There are also many other things that Jesus did, but If these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written." John 21, 24-25

sigh.

Michel, its only about pride now. you are hiding from verses that show mystery and assume that your trinitaria mystery is included there.

is St Patrick biblical? yes or no, true or false? come one man...

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We should not forget that Jesus also said " If you have seen me you have seen the Father."
Rather than put words into your mouth (I hate it when people do that to me), I'm going to ask you to explain what you believe that means. I understand it as meaning, "I look like my Father." Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus was "the express image of his [Father's] person." If this is the case, it substantiates my belief that the Father and the Son look exactly alike. The Son is in the "express image" of His Father. It's impossible to be in the image of oneself, since an image is clearly separate from the original.

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Maybe I don't need to fully understand. I still believe in the mysteries of God, Lord knows I sure don't understand everything that goes on in this world.
Well, that makes two of us, and I certainly wouldn't want to come across as if I think I know everything there is to know. Two things I do know, though, are that (1) eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ, whom He sent here to earth and (2) God is not the author of confusion. We may not know everything about Him, but He is far less complicated than the philosophies of men have made Him.
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Do you believe that Jesus was without sin?

yes as a matter of fact. i am looking for the supporting verse right now.
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Now we're going around in circles. God's essense is His being and His being is His essence. I don't know any more now than when I started.
Why should we , isn't it God who said " I am who Am." By the way,thank you Katzpur for being kind. I may not be a big believer in frubals but you deserve some.
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yes as a matter of fact. i am looking for the supporting verse right now.
So if Jesus is perfect then he must be God right? If the same can be said for the Holy Spirit and the Father then they must be God too, hence the trinity right?
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isn't it God who said " I am who Am."
LOL! Well, you got me there, Michel.

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sigh.

Michel, its only about pride now. you are hiding from verses that show mystery and assume that your trinitaria mystery is included there.

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Sigh indeed. What I am trying to point out is that ALL of the TRUTH is not in the Bible in the first place and that truth is Biblical. Read again John 21, 25

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