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Old 05-05-2008, 04:01 PM
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This is being debated on another thread and I know that it has probably been discussed to death but...
Is it? I never really questioned it until recently. Does the bible truly say that God is "Three Persons of One Essence"? I am not questioning whether Jesus is God because I still believe that with no question.
Any verses and explanations (I would prefer that verses also contain what you get from them if that is possible) are welcome.
There are verses both ways, so whichever you want it to be, read those ones and just ignore the others . . .
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:13 AM
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I am looking for the book over the internet. I have yet to find it, therefore i am unable to paste the copy of the book.






What i have is a video discussing the doctrine of the trinity indicated in the book

here is a link The Old Path TV - Streaming Media site of Members Church of God International#

if the video does not load right away, search for trinity.
I'm not interested in hearing someone else's take on the doctrine. I want to see the doctrine.
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Old 05-06-2008, 03:53 PM
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I'm not interested in hearing someone else's take on the doctrine. I want to see the doctrine.

I dont' have a soft copy of the book to post in here.

I provided you the link to the video because the video showed the book and the doctrine you are looking for.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:13 AM
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I dont' have a soft copy of the book to post in here.

I provided you the link to the video because the video showed the book and the doctrine you are looking for.
Habeas corpus, please!
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well... i don't read the word "trinity" anywhere in there. and as i have understood it, a Jew at the time of Jesus would have understood "holy spirit" to simply mean "God's holy spirit of inspiration", not a separate being or entity from God.

i kind of don't mind, though. i can't explain another person's faith to them (though in the past i've tried, arrogantly), but only attempt to explain what i feel and believe.
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well... i don't read the word "trinity" anywhere in there. and as i have understood it, a Jew at the time of Jesus would have understood "holy spirit" to simply mean "God's holy spirit of inspiration", not a separate being or entity from God.
But how would you explain 1 John 5:7-8?

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

I'm definitely not arguing in favor of the Trinity, but this verse does clearly imply that there are three separate entities that are, in some way, "one." I think the question is, "How are they one?"
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But how would you explain 1 John 5:7-8?

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

I'm definitely not arguing in favor of the Trinity, but this verse does clearly imply that there are three separate entities that are, in some way, "one." I think the question is, "How are they one?"
well.... i guess it's a matter of faith. in other words, perhaps, God works through Jesus, sends the Holy Spirit, and guides us with the Spirit and the teachings and person of Jesus. it's also possible, Katz, that trinitarian ideas were written in later manuscripts as the Bible was codified. right now, i think i'm safe in calling myself a "unitarian Christian", if i'm going to call myself Christian.

yet i do have to remind myself that this doesn't give me the right to try and tear down the faith of confidently trinitarian Christians.
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