Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by sojourner

If the Post Office sent a letter to every worker, who would deliver it?

I suspect you thought really hard before asking this question.....and it still doesn't make any sense. If the PO sent a letter to all of its workers then the Mail carrier for every particular zip code would deliver that message. Postal carries don't normally deliver mail in their own neighborhood.

God (the Post Office) sends his Mail Carrier (Yeshua) to a particular group of people (lost sheep of the house of Israel) with a message. The servant....oops I mean Mail Carrier (Yeshua) reports back to God (The Post Office) letting him know that task that had been given is completed.

The Post Office = God
The Mail Carrier = Yeshua (he who was sent with the message)

If you sent a message to a relative 3000 miles away who would deliver it? Would it be you? No.....It would be the person(s) whom you've put your trust in in order for the message to be delivered safely and in a prompt manner.

Again....in order to be sent there must be a sender.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU, the only true god, and Yeshua the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

"You are the true god and I am the messiah, whom you have sent.....

This has got to be one of the clearest things he ever said.....(You are God, I am the blessed one. You sent me). There's no mystery in the statement. It's plain and simple.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

You keep doing what you do. Teee...heee...heee.....You're on to something.


John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU, the only true god, and Yeshua the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

Idols are false gods! that what makes the father the only true God, it was a relative statement. It does not imply Jesus was fully human. Besides jesus was the word of God:

1. John 1:1
   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
   
2. John 1:14
   The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jeremiah said

Jeremiah 8:9
The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?


and John warned:

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

I suspect you thought really hard before asking this question.....and it still doesn't make any sense. If the PO sent a letter to all of its workers then the Mail carrier for every particular zip code would deliver that message. Postal carries don't normally deliver mail in their own neighborhood.

Revelation 1
God (the Post Office) sends his Mail Carrier (Yeshua) to a particular group of people (lost sheep of the house of Israel) with a message. The servant....oops I mean Mail Carrier (Yeshua) reports back to God (The Post Office) letting him know that task that had been given is completed.

The Post Office = God
The Mail Carrier = Yeshua (he who was sent with the message)

If you sent a message to a relative 3000 miles away who would deliver it? Would it be you? No.....It would be the person(s) whom you've put your trust in in order for the message to be delivered safely and in a prompt manner.

Again....in order to be sent there must be a sender.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU, the only true god, and Yeshua the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

"You are the true god and I am the messiah, whom you have sent.....

This has got to be one of the clearest things he ever said.....(You are God, I am the blessed one. You sent me). There's no mystery in the statement. It's plain and simple.

17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

When did the First and the Last/ Jesus/ God die?
Once again, the Word had defeated you.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Idols are false gods! that what makes the father the only true God, it was a relative statement. It does not imply Jesus was fully human. Besides jesus was the word of God:

No problem. I don't agree with the interpretation but I can respect your position on it. All is good....

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Once again, the Word had defeated you.

I didn't realize we were in some sort of contest. I guess it comes down to interpretation. Especially when it comes to interpreting plain text.

John 6:38
For I (Yeshua) have come down from heaven, not to do My own (Separate) will, but the will of Him (My god) who sent me”

John 8:42................ I (Yeshua) proceeded and came forth from God; I (Yeshua) came not of my (Yeshua) own accord, but he (God) sent me”

Another KJV renders it like this;

"I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."


Again, it's all good.........

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

I suspect you thought really hard before asking this question.....and it still doesn't make any sense. If the PO sent a letter to all of its workers then the Mail carrier for every particular zip code would deliver that message. Postal carries don't normally deliver mail in their own neighborhood.

God (the Post Office) sends his Mail Carrier (Yeshua) to a particular group of people (lost sheep of the house of Israel) with a message. The servant....oops I mean Mail Carrier (Yeshua) reports back to God (The Post Office) letting him know that task that had been given is completed.

The Post Office = God
The Mail Carrier = Yeshua (he who was sent with the message)

If you sent a message to a relative 3000 miles away who would deliver it? Would it be you? No.....It would be the person(s) whom you've put your trust in in order for the message to be delivered safely and in a prompt manner.

Again....in order to be sent there must be a sender.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know YOU, the only true god, and Yeshua the Messiah, whom YOU have sent.

"You are the true god and I am the messiah, whom you have sent.....

This has got to be one of the clearest things he ever said.....(You are God, I am the blessed one. You sent me). There's no mystery in the statement. It's plain and simple.

I suspect you thought really hard before answering the question...
The postal workers deliver the mail. They work for the Post Office, and are, therefore, part of the Post Office, equal in representation to everyone else who works for the Post Office. Indeed, the postal workers comprise "the Post Office." Whenever I go to the post office, I'm always greeted by and deal with ... that's right! Postal workers. go figure. Why? Because they're "the Post Office."

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I suspect you thought really hard before answering the question...
The postal workers deliver the mail. They work for the Post Office, and are, therefore, part of the Post Office, equal in representation to everyone else who works for the Post Office. Indeed, the postal workers comprise "the Post Office." Whenever I go to the post office, I'm always greeted by and deal with ... that's right! Postal workers. go figure. Why? Because they're "the Post Office."

I see what you mean......

Each postal worker is separate from that which they serve. They all work together for one unified purpose but are separate none the less.

I agree with certain parts of your analogy but it of itself helps both of our cases. You can view them as one "Post Office" and I have no problem separating the worker from the collective. I have no problem understanding that the gun toting mad man bent on shooting up the joint does not represent the views of "the post office"....Or the lazy postal worker who stock piles years worth of main in his house because he wants to lighten his load. So although there is a post office not all of its workers are equal.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

I didn't realize we were in some sort of contest. I guess it comes down to interpretation. Especially when it comes to interpreting plain text.

John 6:38
For I (Yeshua) have come down from heaven, not to do My own (Separate) will, but the will of Him (My god) who sent me”

John 8:42................ I (Yeshua) proceeded and came forth from God; I (Yeshua) came not of my (Yeshua) own accord, but he (God) sent me”

Another KJV renders it like this;

"I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me."


Again, it's all good.........

Look at my last post and answer the question. When did the Alpha and the Omega die?