Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

The Question on the thead is

" Is the Trinity BIBLICAL? "

Do you think that Jesus was God?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by sojourner

It's not that your biblical facts are in error. It's your method of interpretation that is skewed from orthodox Christian theology. What you're doing is proof-texting what you already believe. What I'm pointing out is that there's "more to the Biblical story" than what you have presented here, and upon which you formulate theology. While it is true that "the Bible says these things," it is also true that the Bible says other things, too, some that do not support your theological stance. I'm not skeptical that the Bible really contains these passages. I'm skeptical that, in the larger sense, the Bible "means" what you claim it "means."

All you do mr. Sojourner is show your skeptism and provide general statements. you cannot even use specific examples to support your rebuttles.

Lets make it simple. The concept of the trinity from the book entitles " faith of our fathers authored by catholic bishops" states that the the trinity is composed of three CO-EQUAL BEINGS"

Jesus said "the father is greater tha n I" now Mr.sojourner the Word greater is not subject to interpretation. GREATER WILL NEVER MEAN EQUAL IN THE ENGLISH DICTIONARY!

hence, since greater does not mean equal, your concept of the trinity is already destroyed.

not unless you can BIBLICALLY PROVE THAT JESUS WAS JUST PATRONIZING THE FATHER.

GREATER DOES NOT MEAN CO-EQUAL.

Originally Posted by sojourner

. What I'm pointing out is that there's "more to the Biblical story" than what you have presented here, and upon which you formulate theology. While it is true that "the Bible says these things," it is also true that the Bible says other things, too, some that do not support your theological stance.

Give me specifics Mr. Sojourner. your General statements are not sufficient.

[sojourner]

Lets make it simple. The concept of the trinity from the book entitles " faith of our fathers authored by catholic bishops" states that the the trinity is composed of three CO-EQUAL BEINGS"

I'm not familiar with that book, so I can't say whether its contents are factual, or reliable. What I do know is the Nicene Creed, which has come down to us via Tradition. it says: "...we believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ...begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. It further states: ..."We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son."

What I do know is the doctrine of the Trinity, as supported by the Definition of the Union of the Divine and Human Natures in the Person of Christ, from the Council of Chalcedon.

Jesus said "the father is greater tha n I" now Mr.sojourner the Word greater is not subject to interpretation. GREATER WILL NEVER MEAN EQUAL IN THE ENGLISH DICTIONARY!

You're shouting. It's not necessary or welcome. This was obviously the human Jesus talking to other human beings about God the Father, who is greater than Jesus the human. That has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being fully Divine, as he is fully human. Read up on the Definition referenced above.

Give me specifics Mr. Sojourner. your General statements are not sufficient.

General statements are all your posts warrant. if you want to find out more, you do the research, as I have already done.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I'm not familiar with that book, so I can't say whether its contents are factual, or reliable. What I do know is the Nicene Creed, which has come down to us via Tradition. it says: "...we believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ...begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. It further states: ..."We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son."

What I do know is the doctrine of the Trinity, as supported by the Definition of the Union of the Divine and Human Natures in the Person of Christ, from the Council of Chalcedon.

Apparetly you are the one who needs research. again focus on the topic, "is the trinity BIBLICAL" you cant argue that it was passed through tradition you know?

Originally Posted by sojourner

You're shouting. It's not necessary or welcome. This was obviously the human Jesus talking to other human beings about God the Father, who is greater than Jesus the human. That has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus being fully Divine, as he is fully human. Read up on the Definition referenced above.

I can prove that Jesus only speaks spiritually, can you prove that he referred to the flesh???

Originally Posted by sojourner

General statements are all your posts warrant. if you want to find out more, you do the research, as I have already done.

or is it because you do not have any specifics to provide?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Do you think that Jesus was God?

yes. " The word became flesh. word was with God and the word was God" i can look up the verse if you require.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

yes. " The word became flesh. word was with God and the word was God" i can look up the verse if you require.

Ok I think the Trinity is Biblical. You wont find Trinity in the Bible but if the Trinity position states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God then I guess I believe in the Trinity.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Ok I think the Trinity is Biblical. You wont find Trinity in the Bible but if the Trinity position states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God then I guess I believe in the Trinity.

The Trinity's postion is that the Father the son and the HS are 3 CO-EQUAL beings in one essence. ( this is according to the book "faith of our fathers" authored by catholic bishops)

This is proved to be biblically in error when Jesus said " The father is Greater than I '

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

The Trinity's postion is that the Father the son and the HS are 3 CO-EQUAL beings in one essence. ( this is according to the book "faith of our fathers" authored by catholic bishops)

This is proved to be biblically in error when Jesus said " The father is Greater than I '

Do you agree that they share authority? I believe that Jesus is a subordinate of the Father, but the authority as well as other aspects is what unites them. i think that the position of the Trinity, I could be wrong.