Christians:Is The Trinity Truly Biblical(A Separate Thread) (Jesus, priest)

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I will leave that to those whose reading the threads with an open heart.

I am sorry i had to argue with you, I just want to stand up for the truth that is in the Bible.

So am I, so am I.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Ok I will try this again, uss-bigd, we agree that Jesus was without sin/perfect.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

Would you agree that the only Biblical entity that can be perfect is God?
Would you agree that the Father and the Holy Spirit are perfect as well?
If you say that all three are without sin and therefore perfect/ divine then they are one in divinity. Divinity=God

one more time.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Ok I will try this again, uss-bigd, we agree that Jesus was without sin/perfect.
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

Would you agree that the only Biblical entity that can be perfect is God?
Would you agree that the Father and the Holy Spirit are perfect as well?
If you say that all three are without sin and therefore perfect/ divine then they are one in divinity. Divinity=God

John 17:21-23

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."


The Chruch "can be" made perfect, if they are one with Jesus as he is one with the father ( one in purpose). Hence, my answe to your question, as it is worded is no.

I provide thee with more proof.


Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Just men's spirits are made perfect.

God = divinity you asked?

Id say the Father, the Son and the HS are divine, however Peter said
2 Peter 1:3


"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust
Peter said we can be "partakers of the divine nature. corroborating what John wrote that the chruch is made parfect"

I hope i answered your question, what was your point sir?

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

John 17:21-23

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."


The Chruch "can be" made perfect, if they are one with Jesus as he is one with the father ( one in purpose). Hence, my answe to your question, as it is worded is no.

I provide thee with more proof.


Hebrews 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Just men's spirits are made perfect.

God = divinity you asked?

Id say the Father, the Son and the HS are divine, however Peter said
2 Peter 1:3


"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust
Peter said we can be "partakers of the divine nature. corroborating what John wrote that the chruch is made parfect"

I hope i answered your question, what was your point sir?

Your right, we are made perfect in Jesus is because of his perfection, the only flawless man that walked the earth. The only thing that can be perfect is God.
Jesus was divine because he was God in the flesh.
John 1:1
[ The Word Became Flesh ] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

To me Jesus was the Word that became flesh. Jesus was with God the Father. The Word was/is God.

If Jesus wasn't God, when did the Word become flesh?

[Jeremy Mason]

Lunamoth has a great post about Jesus in the "Jesus is God?" dabate post #233.

[Ratiocinative]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Read my reply to dunmiester.

The "gods" referred to in Psalms 82 are people in positions of high authority, like kings and rulers. Learn to read in context.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

The "gods" referred to in Psalms 82 are people in positions of high authority, like kings and rulers. Learn to read in context.

Genesis 1:26
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:


John 10:34-35
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

1 Cor 8:5
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Deut 10:17
17 For the LORD your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Josh 22:22
22 The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if [it be] in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)


"God" in these verses are:

theos {theh'-os**
Greek: noun masculine

1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2) Christ is called God in John 1:1, 20:28, 1 John verb:20, Rom.
9:5, Titus 2:13, Heb 1:8 etc.
3) spoken of the only and true God; refers to the things of God; i.e. his counsels, interests, things due to him

[Jeremy Mason]

Whose Son Is the Christ

41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42"What do you think about the Christ[d]? Whose son is he?"
"The son of David," they replied.
43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says,
44" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet." '[e] 45If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" 46No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.



This is a great example of David talking to Jesus before Jesus was born. It also illastrates(sp?) that two Lords(capital "L") are conversing with eachother.
any more questions?

[IIChr7:14]

Is there a biblical verse that says that the Holy Spirit is a God?

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

See the book "the faith of our fathers" it is a catholic book explaining the doctrine of the trinity.

It states in chapter one that: "teaches there is but one God with 3 distinct persons who are equal to each other" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book,and the catholic cardinals that approved it)


The question of this thread is again " is the trinity biblical?

let us see if the catholic presentation of the trinity consistent with the bible.

1. Catholic book states " 3 distinct persons who are CO-EQUAL" ( if you will question this, question the author of the book, and the catholic cardinals that ap