Do differences in practices of faith mean we follow the same Jesus Christ? (reject, gospel)

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I can assure you that Orontes would agree with this statement. What I don't get, Marc, is how you figure it's okay for you to make a statement like, "there is only one bible, the old and new testament books are consistent in all versions, the deuterocanonicals were just added at a later time," but it's not okay for someone else to respond to that statement. If Orontes' response is off-topic, so was the statement you made to which he was responding.

I understand...

let us just put it this way, for the sake of argment and consistency of basis. let us refer to the new and old testaments of the bible. which is pretty much the common denominator for all bibles.

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

again, this falls on a different thread, if you wish you start one, feel free

I have to agree with Katzpur. It seems a little untoward to make claims and state corrections to those assertions are off topic. I have introduced no subject matter. I have simply responded to comments from yourself.

you are correct, but the metohd of baptism may not be the only difference.
the simple logic of my stance is, "no contradicting things can be both true"

If that is your stance, then you must admit that within Christendom different Christs are truly legion: as many as there are different sects.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Orontes

I have to agree with Katzpur. It seems a little untoward to make claims and state corrections to those assertions are off topic. I have introduced no subject matter. I have simply responded to comments from yourself.




If that is your stance, then you must admit that within Christendom different Christs are truly legion: as many as there are different sects.

That is exactly the point of the thread. glad we are on the same page sir...

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I understand...

let us just put it this way, for the sake of argment and consistency of basis. let us refer to the new and old testaments of the bible. which is pretty much the common denominator for all bibles.

Hmm, we posted past each other. It's fine to defer to one Bible or element of the Bible, but that still does not allow statements like: "Again, the Jesus Christ came from the bible, not from any other reference material. Hence, in this thread, the authenticity of the bible is not questioned, because it is the only reference where the life and teachings of Christ can be found." which I pointed out is both historically and theologically incorrect.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Orontes

Hmm, we posted past each other. It's fine to defer to one Bible or element of the Bible, but that still does not allow statements like: "Again, the Jesus Christ came from the bible, not from any other reference material. Hence, in this thread, the authenticity of the bible is not questioned, because it is the only reference where the life and teachings of Christ can be found." which I pointed out is both historically and theologically incorrect.

I already started a thread about that. its under biblical debates.

In this thread, for the sake of argument and consistency of basis, let us base arguments on the bible. specifically the OT and the NT.

why? I wish to limit the parameters in so that we can come to very clear conclusion.
something, like " based on the bible alone Christian denominations do not follow the same Christ depicted in the bible"

This way, it will prevent athiest from blowing the discussions out of proportion. i hope you get my point.

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I already started a thread about that. its under biblical debates.

In this thread, for the sake of argument and consistency of basis, let us base arguments on the bible. specifically the OT and the NT.

why? I wish to limit the parameters in so that we can come to very clear conclusion.
something, like " based on the bible alone Christian denominations do not follow the same Christ depicted in the bible"

This way, it will prevent athiest from blowing the discussions out of proportion. i hope you get my point.

I see. One thing you may want to consider is why different faith/devotional practices thereby mean the object of faith must thereby be different. Many would make distinction between ritual proper and the metaphysics of any object of devotion unless the ritual actually informs that object of devotion i.e. transubstantiation.

[Charity]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I already started a thread about that. its under biblical debates.

In this thread, for the sake of argument and consistency of basis, let us base arguments on the bible. specifically the OT and the NT.

why? I wish to limit the parameters in so that we can come to very clear conclusion.
something, like " based on the bible alone Christian denominations do not follow the same Christ depicted in the bible"

This way, it will prevent athiest from blowing the discussions out of proportion. i hope you get my point.

I think you have a logical point here...we have many different versions and interpretations of who Jesus is. In some churches he is a saint, some see him as just being a prophet. They hold him in high regard but do not hold him as a deity. They don't see him as Saviour or as The mediator between us and God,the Father. Some Christians do not understand the Trinity and how Jesus fits this position. We have some churches that believe in Jesus only and leave out God the father, and the Holy Ghost. ( Holy Spirit) It seems so hard to express to someone who is not a believer because of all the different opinions and conclusions of the Christians. Young converts get so confused that they don't know what to believe and end up, giving up. I hope I am on the right track here with what you want in your forum. So I cannot conclude that we all are serving Jesus effectively because of lack of knowledge, lack of understanding, and lack of study. Study to shew thyself approved.

no all Christian demonitations do not follow the same Jesus as depicted in the Bible. You have to follow the Whole Jesus not just part.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Charity

no all Christian demonitations do not follow the same Jesus as depicted in the Bible. You have to follow the Whole Jesus not just part.

I think, though, that it would be safe to say that most Christians believe that they are, in fact, following the Jesus who was depicted in the Bible. The problem is that we all interpret what the Bible has to say about Jesus in slightly different ways. Personally, I would never feel justified in telling another Christian that he believed in the "wrong Jesus," a "different Jesus," or a "counterfeit Jesus" -- as many a Christian has said to me.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I think, though, that it would be safe to say that most Christians believe that they are, in fact, following the Jesus who was depicted in the Bible. The problem is that we all interpret what the Bible has to say about Jesus in slightly different ways. Personally, I would never feel justified in telling another Christian that he believed in the "wrong Jesus," a "different Jesus," or a "counterfeit Jesus" -- as many a Christian has said to me.

Just a thought "two contradicting concepts cannot be both true"

I wouldn't feel justified if i wouldnt tell another christian that he is mislead if i know he is, biblically speaking ofcourse.