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Old 03-16-2008, 09:54 PM
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Answer yes or no and state your reason why.

Just one reminder, the Jesus Christ that we are all familair with, his life and teachings, came from the BIBLE and no where else. hence, the bible must be the only reliable basis for this topic.
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Answer yes or no and state your reason why.
In a sense, yes. In another sense, no. I believe that anyone who sees Jesus Christ as his Savior and who tries to live in accordance with what Christ taught is a "Christian." On the other hand, I don't believe Catholics believe all of the same things as Baptists or that Baptists believe all of the same things as Latter-day Saints or that Latter-day Saints believe all of the same things as Orthodox Christians. There are over 30,000 different Christian denominations in the world today, each with varying beliefs and practices.

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Just one reminder, the Jesus Christ that we are all familair with, his life and teachings, came from the BIBLE and no where else. hence, the bible must be the only reliable basis for this topic.
Then you might start out by telling us where the Bible makes the statement you are attributing to it.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:15 PM
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Then you might start out by telling us where the Bible makes the statement you are attributing to it.
I am asking if you think the statement is a fact. I am not saying the statment i gave in this thread is a fact. actually there is only one Christianity taught in the bible. only one set of teachings and one set of practices.i'd like to know what everybody thinks first, before i share what is written.

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I am asking if you think the statement is a fact. I am not saying the statment i gave in this thread is a fact. actually there is only one Christianity taught in the bible. only one set of teachings and one set of practices.i'd like to know what everybody thinks first, before i share what is written.

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I don't know how I could have expressed my opinion much more clearly, but I'll try again. I would agree that the Bible says there is to be only "one Lord, one faith and one baptism." There are clearly many faiths, many different understandings and interpretation of scripture. It is also mathematically impossible for more than one of these many faiths to be 100% correct. But then what can you expect? Paul said that Jesus set apart Prophets and Apostles and that they should remain as part of the organization of the Church until we all came unto a unity of faith. He said that without them, we'd be tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine. He prophesied of a "falling away" and his prophesy came to pass. The prophets and apostles were killed and today we have what he predicted would be the case.
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I don't know how I could have expressed my opinion much more clearly, but I'll try again. I would agree that the Bible says there is to be only "one Lord, one faith and one baptism." There are clearly many faiths, many different understandings and interpretation of scripture. It is also mathematically impossible for more than one of these many faiths to be 100% correct. But then what can you expect? Paul said that Jesus set apart Prophets and Apostles and that they should remain as part of the organization of the Church until we all came unto a unity of faith. He said that without them, we'd be tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine. He prophesied of a "falling away" and his prophesy came to pass. The prophets and apostles were killed and today we have what he predicted would be the case.
Acknowledged! anymore replies??

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i dont think there is a single person today who understands the true message of the one they call jesus , the bible has been corrupted and manipulated to what it is today and the true message of a gallilean jew from 2000 years ago has been lost. what i mean is call yourself a christian if you like it has little to do with the religion of jesus
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Answer yes or no and state your reason why.

Just one reminder, the Jesus Christ that we are all familair with, his life and teachings, came from the BIBLE and no where else. hence, the bible must be the only reliable basis for this topic.
I would say that somone's christianity is determined by what they do, not what they say they are.If a person does they're best to follow the teachings of Christ them i would call them Christian. But even if a person calles themself Christian but doesn't follow the teachings of Christ. Then I wouldn't consider them Christian.

That last part sounds like you're taking a jab at a couple specific religions we all know and love.
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Yes. I call anyone a Christian who follows Jesus' (Yeshua's) commands. There are some denominations (Jehovah's Witnesses, for example) who don't want to be called Christians, but that is beside the point.
Granted some of these good folks don't believe that Jesus is God, and there is at least 2 denominations who believe that Jesus was nothing more than an angel. (I believe that Jesus was God). But as long as they follow Jesus' commands then I think they are considered Christians at least until I find out better (or if God comes down and tells me it isn't so. I am not good enough for God to consider doing that to.).

The only think I have a problem with is when certain denominations say that they are the only denomination who is correct and all others are wrong. (and I know you didn't say that in the OP, I was just making a comment).
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Just one reminder, the Jesus Christ that we are all familair with, his life and teachings, came from the BIBLE and no where else. hence, the bible must be the only reliable basis for this topic.
I think I'm correct in this: Catholic doctrine states not all truths are contained in the Bible but can come through revelations separate to the Bible itself, to be verified if enough Christians have the same revelation. Also, Catholic doctrine states that sometimes the truth of the Bible has to be revealed through the spiritual insight of prayer rather than mere interpretation.

I don't think merely citing the Bible as source would be a definite enough argument for Catholics that people who call themselves Christians are of the same faith or not. You can find arguments for both sides by citing scripture.

Am I right in this, Catholics?
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