Christians: Where do you draw the line? (Jesus, Creator, Moses)

[Dunemeister]

Originally Posted by Big_TJ

So, if this is the case, why did your answer begins with "it depends?" If I understand your post, anyone who do not believe in the Trinity will be doomed unless they change their belief, am I correct?

People who have come to faith in Jesus in the power of the Spirit will ultimately have their hearts softened toward the community of faith. They will want to remain in communion with the community whom God has called. Hence they won't actively oppose the teaching of that community. That's not to say that they'll understand everything. Thus a new convert may have some difficulty with this or that doctrine, but they will nevertheless maintain that it is true and wholesome and worthy of acceptance, although at the moment they have difficulty assimilating the doctrine or seeing its relevance or <other difficulty>. As earlier Christian scholars have said, ours is a faith seeking understanding. We trust before we understand everything.

Also, I can't help but believe that deeds matter more than words. Thus, even if a person believes something contrary to Christian doctrine yet lives a life that demonstrates love, forgiveness, repentance, and the whole panoply of Christian virtues, I'm reasonably confident that God will not turn them away. Nor will the church.

However, the situation is different for the person who actually teaches and promotes ideas contrary to Christian tradition. The Church must maintain discipline, so such a person, virtuous as he may be, will probably not enjoy full communion with the saints. Depending on the seriousness of the doctrine at issue, the person may yet be excommunicated. But all that means is that the person's relationship with the community of faith is temporarily imperiled. It says jack squat about his relationship with God, a matter about which it would be better to remain silent.

[deelo505]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Which Bible? The one that was in use before the Protestants omitted what had been there for centuries or the one in which they removed what God had never intended to be there?

thigns where removed, whole books were removed from the bible because of its contents liek there is a book about a girl who was supposedly the first eve jnamed lily and awhole book about mary and her conception and life,this one was takn out to get to the important juicy part about Jesus the reason because they felt it was obsolete, but theres nothing we can do about it. The "bible" you read hasnt got everything either so ...hey...diffenent places had different parts of the bible as well so which one are you talking about. ex. in africa they discoverd a lost book of the bible that the africans had been studying for centuries so....you should be able to find out info on this at the www.historychannel.com

[ChristineES]

There are a lot Christians who don't believe in the Trinity. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, some people believe that Jesus is the Son of God but not God (I don't how that can be since God would begat God and there is only one God). I believe that Jesus was 100% God and yet 100% human as well- I can't explain it but I believe it.

Since the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, do Christians have to believe in it in order to be saved? I don't even want to attempt to answer that question.

[Michel07]

Originally Posted by ChristineES

There are a lot Christians who don't believe in the Trinity. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, some people believe that Jesus is the Son of God but not God (I don't how that can be since God would begat God and there is only one God). I believe that Jesus was 100% God and yet 100% human as well- I can't explain it but I believe it.

Since the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, do Christians have to believe in it in order to be saved? I don't even want to attempt to answer that question.

Gen 1 , 26
Then God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Isaiah 6, 3

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of Hosts!.

Isaiah 48, 16
Come near to me and hear this!
Not from the beginning did I speak it in secret;
" Now the Lord, God has sent me,
and his spirit.

Matthew 28, 19

Go ,therefore, and make disciples
of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father,and of the Son, and of the
holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all
that I have commanded you. And behold,
I am with you always until the end of the age.

1 John 5, 7

So there are three that testify,




Does this help?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Michel07

Gen 1 , 26
Then God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Isaiah 6, 3

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of Hosts!.

Isaiah 48, 16
Come near to me and hear this!
Not from the beginning did I speak it in secret;
" Now the Lord, God has sent me,
and his spirit.

Matthew 28, 19

Go ,therefore, and make disciples
of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father,and of the Son, and of the
holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all
that I have commanded you. And behold,
I am with you always until the end of the age.

1 John 5, 7

So there are three that testify,




Does this help?

I dont beleive you're catholic.

do you beleive in oneness?
or are you proving that the Father , the Son and the HS are distinct/seperate persons?

[Hope]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

hahahahahahahaah!

you make me laugh, you make your self sound like some smart guy who thinks he knows that he is talking about.

whose teachings are in the bible? are you that stupid to make such a term as biblian???? gee ... i will not waste my time on you... say what ever you want.

That is such a mature, Christ-like response.....

[Hope]

And gosh darn it, dunemeister, if I could frubal you for every single post in this thread, I would. Alas, that I cannot even give you one right now. I have enjoyed reading your incredibly insightful, articulate, and Spirit-led posts. They're all zingers. Bravo.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Hope

That is such a mature, Christ-like response.....

It is a straightforward, non-hypocritical response.

[Hope]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

It is a straightforward, non-hypocritical response.

One can be straight-forward and non-hypocritical without belittling and laughing at someone. Such disrespect dishonors Christ.