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Old 05-10-2008, 05:57 AM
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But, maybe he's not in hell. Maybe he's in pergatory hoping one day to get out. Just a thought.
There is no such thing as hell or pergatory.

Jesus was sent to the earth to die anyway. If Judas had not have betrayed him, then someone else would have. the point about Judas doing Gods Will is moot, because of that fact.

Christ was going to die no matter what, that was one o his reasons for being on earth in the first place. the other was to start preaching the good news of Jehovahs Kingdom and to give all glory to God. No one else.

So christ came to earth, preached about the good news of Gods Kingdom (that the world we live in will be gotten rid of and a new one without satan to take its place (new ruler not a physical new earth)), made a new covenant in regards to Gods Kingdom and to die as a perfect man, thus ransoming his perfect life for the one Adam lost in the garden of eden.

So like I said, christ was going to die, it as one of the reasons (the main reason) he came to the earth in the first place. Whether Judas betrayed him or not, was Judas choice, his free will. He chose to betray him knowing full well that Jesus was the Messiah. He just chose the wrong course of action. that is all. Unfortunately for Judas though, he lost out on something better than he already had though.
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Perhaps you can help me. I tried looking in the NIVEC and could not find Purgatory anywhere. Seeings your Catholic, it might be in the four or so book not in the NIV. Can you reference this for me please?
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alright, give me a little time.
Purgatory is not based on scripture. Its existence was postulated by Catholic theologians in order to reconcile the doctrine of hell with a just and loving God. They knew there were people (infants for example) who did not deserve to to burn for all eternity and yet were not "saved" for heaven. Hence, a third area, purgatory, was conceived of.
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