Believers in Hell only - Accidental Overdose (ritual, punishment, gospel)

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

To be judgmental means to declare something that someone did as right or wrong, so with Biblical support it is perfect fine, infact encouraged, to point out to someone when they are doing wrong. Besides Jesus, the main point of the Bible is to point out what is right and wrong, and Jesus certainly made many judgmental statements against the Pharisees and the Sadducees. To judge, on the other hand, means to pass sentence upon. To say that someone should not have a chance to be forgiven and should goto hell is the kind of judging we are not to do.

I think you better look who Jesus hung out with and singled out to have a conversation with. Before Jesus, God even controlled certain people's destiny that where running away from him.

[peaceful]

I believe there is a hell. I believe it is a place on earth, it covers an area where true evil is reincarnated and lives on. Where do you think the saying "Hell on earth" comes from? Have a think about where in the world an enormous amount of evil runs free. Heaven is above and evil and hell keeps us on our toes here.

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

I think you better look who Jesus hung out with and singled out to have a conversation with. Before Jesus, God even controlled certain people's destiny that where running away from him.

[Charity]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

To be judgmental means to declare something that someone did as right or wrong, so with Biblical support it is perfect fine, infact encouraged, to point out to someone when they are doing wrong. Besides Jesus, the main point of the Bible is to point out what is right and wrong, and Jesus certainly made many judgmental statements against the Pharisees and the Sadducees. To judge, on the other hand, means to pass sentence upon. To say that someone should not have a chance to be forgiven and should goto hell is the kind of judging we are not to do.

Yes Jesus made judgemental statements, Don't you think He could after all He made the rules.....He wants us to care, and lift up the brethern , encourage and offer advice but not judge them.

Take a Look at Mat 7:1-5 Does he not say Thou hypocrite?

It also tells us about not offending the brother, check out some of these scriptures

Use Wisdom in all things....Study to shew thy self approved

[Charity]

Originally Posted by zookeeper

I don't believe that suicide automatically means Hell. I believe that people have chances to repent and learn and better themselves in the next life. I don't think an accident is suicide. But for those who do commit suicide will definitely have to answer to God for that. And for those who are just careless with their life will have to answer for that also. The LDS gospel teaches that "Hell" is really just for a very small amount of people.

The scriptures say that hell enlarges itself every day. Makes me believe more people are going there than what you think. After death I don't think we can repent if we did intentionally kill ourself. How can one ask forgiveness when your dead. Yes they will answer to God, but I think it may be too late.....to reap the benefit of Heaven.

[Ratiocinative]

Originally Posted by Charity

Yes Jesus made judgemental statements, Don't you think He could after all He made the rules.....He wants us to care, and lift up the brethern , encourage and offer advice but not judge them.

Take a Look at Mat 7:1-5 Does he not say Thou hypocrite?

It also tells us about not offending the brother, check out some of these scriptures

Use Wisdom in all things....Study to shew thy self approved

Read these definitions:
judgment - Definitions from Dictionary.com
judge - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Which of those definitions does the Hebrew word used 4 times in Matthew 7 match?
http://htmlbible.com/sacrednamebible...RK29.htm#S2919

Maybe you should study some?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by Charity

The scriptures say that hell enlarges itself every day. Makes me believe more people are going there than what you think. After death I don't think we can repent if we did intentionally kill ourself. How can one ask forgiveness when your dead. Yes they will answer to God, but I think it may be too late.....to reap the benefit of Heaven.

You do realize that most people who intentionally end their lives hae some sort of mental disorder that they have no control over?!?

How does hell/God enter into that equation?

[Charity]

Originally Posted by Bishka

You do realize that most people who intentionally end their lives hae some sort of mental disorder that they have no control over?!?

How does hell/God enter into that equation?

Yes I do realize about the mental disorder. I was holding my daughter in my arms and leading my 4 year old son by the hand when I opened the door to my favorite aunt's bedroom. I found her on the floor where she had shot herself....How well I know this happens to people who are ill. She had previous strokes that affected her mind and I was never quite sure about her walk with God...... If she had accpeted Him in earlier years then I do believe that God doesn't hold that person accountable....But on the other hand take for instance the people who go into a school and shoot innocent children and teachers, etc. Then shoot themselves...Some of them I am sure have mental problems, then there are those who are just cold blooded killers and decide to end it all.....I'm not saying what God does in these cases, but I can only wonder......
Yes I believe I have realized very well about these people and mental disorders

[Jeremy Mason]

Biblically speaking, Jesus is the God of the living not the dead. If one purposefully commits suicide they renounce there faith to the God of the living. As to the judgement of such an action, that's for God to decide.

[Scott C.]

Originally Posted by Charity

Yes I do realize about the mental disorder. I was holding my daughter in my arms and leading my 4 year old son by the hand when I opened the door to my favorite aunt's bedroom. I found her on the floor where she had shot herself....How well I know this happens to people who are ill. She had previous strokes that affected her mind and I was never quite sure about her walk with God...... If she had accpeted Him in earlier years then I do believe that God doesn't hold that person accountable....But on the other hand take for instance the people who go into a school and shoot innocent children and teachers, etc. Then shoot themselves...Some of them I am sure have mental problems, then there are those who are just cold blooded killers and decide to end it all.....I'm not saying what God does in these cases, but I can only wonder......
Yes I believe I have realized very well about these people and mental disorders

I believe only God is qualified to make the right judgement. I believe He will take into consideration all of the factors, including mental illness that affect behavior. I suppose I could imagine a scenario where one would kill innocent people and yet not be accountable to God, due to severe mental illness or mental defect. In such cases, we use judges and juries to meet out justice in the right amount and to the right people, considering the mitigating circumstances the best we can. We don't always get it right. God always gets it right in my view.