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Old 01-31-2008, 09:50 AM
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The person can make the choice to change it at any time. God wants all people to united to Him, but he won't force anyone. If He did, then we would all be a bunch of robots.
Embrace the horror of this statement.

Freewill at the cost of billions of human lives lived in destitute, tortured squalar at the hands of other people who have chosen to be "seperate" from God, and further billions to be in a (permanent?) unimaginable cosmic hell.

O that God would have placed us in a cosmology where we would only choose good from good!!
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:52 AM
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Embrace the horror of this statement.
I will try. Maybe I should think of a way to rephrase that.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:54 AM
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The person can make the choice to change it at any time. God wants all people to united to Him, but he won't force anyone. If He did, then we would all be a bunch of robots.
You misunderstood my post. "God" separates people from "God" first, because a choice to be separated cannot occur without there already being a separation. So the separation must occur before any choice does. Then the issue is whether one can "choose" to not be separated . . . which puts us into a "strange loop."
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If only Ivan Karamazov were here . . .
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The person can make the choice to change it at any time. God wants all people to united to Him, but he won't force anyone. If He did, then we would all be a bunch of robots.
I'm thinking choice is an illusion. I think Dopp has pointed out elsewhere that if you don't perceive it as an illusion then you do indeed experience it as choice. But he might clarify that.
This was posted on another thread :-The definition of Christian Universalism DOES INCLUDE THE BELIEF that God "will have all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4).
ChristineES, how does your belief in choice sit with the idea that God will have all men come to a knowledge of the truth?
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