A Question for fellow Christians. (Jesus, Moses, Earth, gospel) - Page 17

Jeremy Mason · #**161** 02-29-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

The fact that God knows us as perfectly as He does and therefore being able to know what kinds of choices we'll make when presented with a certain set of circumstances is not the same thing as Him having chosen to save some and damn others before they were ever born.

I'm a little confused. If God can "know what kinds of choices we'll make with a certain set of circumstances..." then why can't God judge us on those choices? The fact that he is able to see the future doesn't mean he has already decided who makes it or not. Jesus would not have asked people to repent if he felt that there was no chance of us changing.

Katzpur · #**162** 02-29-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

I'm a little confused. If God can "know what kinds of choices we'll make with a certain set of circumstances..." then why can't God judge us on those choices? The fact that he is able to see the future doesn't mean he has already decided who makes it or not. Jesus would not have asked people to repent if he felt that there was no chance of us changing.

I agree. I wasn't sure that's what you were saying.

Troublemane · #**163** 03-01-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

Everyone has heard of Jesus....
Faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved, there is no other way.

Define faith.

Also, explain how "everyone" has heard of Jesus?--I know that of the 20 or so pagan christs before jesus, sure, most of the world already had heard of one form of the solar/ressurecting deity (aka, mithras,dionysus,horus, etc.)---is that to which you refer? Also,how can there have been people who'd heard of Jesus before there was a Jesus? What if you died with only a partial belief in Jesus, are you half saved?

Katzpur · #**164** 03-01-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Troublemane

Also, explain how "everyone" has heard of Jesus?

Good luck getting an answer to that question. I finally gave up myself. If you get an answer at all, it will be along the lines of the one I got. You don't have to have heard of Jesus in order to have faith in Him, and everyone has had the opportunity to have faith in Him. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Ratiocinative · #**165** 03-01-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Troublemane

Define faith.

Faith is confidence or trust in someone or something. In a Biblical context of being saved it means trusting that God's promise of forgiveness of sins has been fulfilled through Christ Jesus, and that God will not break his promise to save those who believe in Christ. An example of not having faith would be trying to earn salvation through your own actions, such as baptism or circumcision.

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Originally Posted by Troublemane

Also, explain how "everyone" has heard of Jesus?--I know that of the 20 or so pagan christs before jesus, sure, most of the world already had heard of one form of the solar/ressurecting deity (aka, mithras,dionysus,horus, etc.)---is that to which you refer? Also,how can there have been people who'd heard of Jesus before there was a Jesus? What if you died with only a partial belief in Jesus, are you half saved?

As the Bible says in Romans 1/10/Psalms 19, people have always known about God because creation display his power. In Romans 1 the Bible says that God has made himself known to people instinctively, and that there is no excuse for not knowing God. However, instead of believing this truth that was made known to them, the Bible says that people deliberately choose to believe lies to satisfy their own evil desires. People always have the opportunity to turn from their sin and learn the truth about God, and his promise of salvation through Christ, but instead they make up their own ideas and follow them. Those who do these things have no one to blame but themselves.

Starfish · #**166** 03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristineES

I believe that God would not condemn someone if the said person never had a chance to know Him. Unfortunately, not a lot of Christians agree with me.

Oh I agree completely with you, Christine. What kind of God would do that?

mudge991 · #**167** 03-03-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

Faith is confidence or trust in someone or something. In a Biblical context of being saved it means trusting that God's promise of forgiveness of sins has been fulfilled through Christ Jesus, and that God will not break his promise to save those who believe in Christ. An example of not having faith would be trying to earn salvation through your own actions, such as baptism or circumcision.

As the Bible says in Romans 1/10/Psalms 19, people have always known about God because creation display his power. In Romans 1 the Bible says that God has made himself known to people instinctively, and that there is no excuse for not knowing God. However, instead of believing this truth that was made known to them, the Bible says that people deliberately choose to believe lies to satisfy their own evil desires. People always have the opportunity to turn from their sin and learn the truth about God, and his promise of salvation through Christ, but instead they make up their own ideas and follow them. Those who do these things have no one to blame but themselves.

If it's "known to people instinctively" then why ask for money to "spread the word"? Are you actually stating that you are taking this literally? Do you think that what you are reading is the "infallable" word of god? I would be interested to know if you believe this.

Katzpur · #**168** 03-04-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mudge991

If it's "known to people instinctively" then why ask for money to "spread the word"? Are you actually stating that you are taking this literally? Do you think that what you are reading is the "infallable" word of god? I would be interested to know if you believe this.

Since when was "Pastafarianism" a denomination of Christianity? You need to read the forum rules, buddy.

mudge991 · #**169** 03-04-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

Since when was "Pastafarianism" a denomination of Christianity? You need to read the forum rules, buddy.

Are you telling me that yours is the only denomination allowed? How very Christian of you. But good answer, you addressed the post quite well.

And what makes you think any Christian would include Mormons in the denominational group? Even your "prophet" said so...

Historically, only until recently have Mormons wanted to be called Christians, preferring not to be included with Christian denominations, which Joseph Smith said were, "all wrong ... all their creeds were an admonition in his sight, and that those professors (Christians) were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19).

Note the following quote from the Mormon Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, page 123, made by the LDS Apostle Orson Hyde:
"Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, a mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point were He is."
Lorenzo Snow, late President of the Mormon church, made this statement in the second verse of his famous poem entitled, "Man's Destiny":
"As Abra'm, Isaac, Jacob, too, babes, then men--to gods they grew. As man now is, our God once was; As now God is, so man may be,-- Which doth unfold man's destiny. . ."
The God of the Bible is not an exalted man. The God of the Bible is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. The Bible says He is the only God and there are no other Gods. He had no beginning or end and he is a spirit being and never was a man.

whups....lol