A Question for fellow Christians. (Jesus, Moses, Earth, gospel) - Page 13

Katzpur · #**121** 02-10-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Starfish

Side note: Are we the only Christian church that believes that Adam & Eve couldn't bear children before they were cast out of the garden?

I believe we are. Does anybody know of any scriptural support for this belief, though.

Sola'lor · #**122** 02-10-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

I believe we are. Does anybody know of any scriptural support for this belief, though.

I think it's in second Nephi chapter 2. They referenced it during the broadcast yesterday.

MdmSzdWhtGuy · #**123** 02-10-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sojourner

I believe God will save every person.

I am rooting for this guy!!! Although I would like the option of, ya know, just being dead. Put me down for some of that, but if I HAVE to live forever, then I prefer harps and streets of gold to pitchforks and insane heat. Go sojourner!!! Hope you win.

B.

roli · #**124** 02-10-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristineES

I believe that each person alive is called and it is up to each person to answer the call.

The conflicting belief is that only people God has chosen to be called are called and anyone who doesn't become saved is because God didn't choose them to be saved.

So I am wondering what the Christians at the RF believe. Do you believe anyone can be saved or only those chosen by God to be saved?

Rom 10:13 Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

roli · #**125** 02-10-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

I believe we are. Does anybody know of any scriptural support for this belief, though.

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Originally Posted by Starfish

Side note: Are we the only Christian church that believes that Adam & Eve couldn't bear children before they were cast out of the garden?

Judeo Christian doctrine does not teach this, only apparent new doctrine spoken through ,so called modern day prophets.
If this is the case, it contradicts judeo christian doctrine meaning someone is proclaiming false prophecy.
UHM....!! Moses or LDS, goo question?
Gen 1:28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Sola'lor · #**126** 02-11-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by roli

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Originally Posted by Starfish

Side note: Are we the only Christian church that believes that Adam & Eve couldn't bear children before they were cast out of the garden?

Judeo Christian doctrine does not teach this, only apparent new doctrine spoken through ,so called modern day prophets.
If this is the case, it contradicts judeo christian doctrine meaning someone is proclaiming false prophecy.
UHM....!! Moses or LDS, goo question?
Gen 1:28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

We believe that scripture in Genesis too. We believe the God commanded Adam and Eve to multipliy and replenish the Earth. So no contradtiction there.

Here's the scripture:

2 Nephi 2:22-25

22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.

23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.

Katzpur · #**127** 02-11-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by roli

Judeo Christian doctrine does not teach this, only apparent new doctrine spoken through ,so called modern day prophets. If this is the case, it contradicts judeo christian doctrine meaning someone is proclaiming false prophecy.
UHM....!! Moses or LDS, goo question?

There is an order to all things. Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth, but they could not do so until they became mortal. Prior to the Fall, they were immortal. There's no contradiction here -- just additional information which you are free to reject.

Francine · #**128** 02-11-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Katzpur

There is an order to all things. Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth, but they could not do so until they became mortal. Prior to the Fall, they were immortal.

Not so, else why would God bar the way to the Tree of Life? It is the fruit of the Tree of Life which makes us immortal. If Adam and Eve had already taken the Tree of Life before they fell, they would be fallen immortals, like the demons.

Starfish · #**129** 02-11-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Francine

Not so, else why would God bar the way to the Tree of Life? It is the fruit of the Tree of Life which makes us immortal. If Adam and Eve had already taken the Tree of Life before they fell, they would be fallen immortals, like the demons.

I don't think the Tree of Life was barred before they'd eaten of the Tree of Knowledge . . . (Gen. 2:16-17). Therefore they were probably eating from it, though it doesn't say. It was barred after they'd eaten the fruit from the other tree so that they wouldn't live forever in a sinful state. (verse 22)
So I guess this means they were fallen immortals. Falling from immortality to mortality.
Not sure who the demons are, but if it means Satan, he did fall, but in a different way.

roli · #**130** 02-11-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sola'lor

We believe that scripture in Genesis too. We believe the God commanded Adam and Eve to multipliy and replenish the Earth. So no contradtiction there.

Here's the scripture:

2 Nephi 2:22-25

22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.

23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.

Are you saying that they would not have had children unless they fell into sin.
If so, as verse 23 above states ,it goes against scripture in Gen 1:28 ,God had said "multiply" before the fall.

Actually what are all these verses trying to convey, they are very profound and divine sounding but such a play on words, it really frustrates me.
Example , vs 22,"If Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen" ya, this is a self evident truth, why the need to use so many words to tell us what is already a given.

Could you explain in laymen terms what these verses are trying to say.