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Old 02-06-2008, 05:07 AM
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There can't be. If Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of all who would accept Him, Adam was forgiven for his sin (or transgression). The concept of original sin would only make sense if we thought that somehow God did not accept Adam's repentence. He could not pass on a sin he had been forgiven of.
Its not sin that Adam passed on, it's the fallen state that resulted from that sin, and we still must wait for the Second Life to become fully restored to the original state.
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:34 AM
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But not one of is held personally accountable when we are judged.
Where is THAT in the Bible?
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we still must wait for the Second Life to become fully restored to the original state.
Exactly.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:16 PM
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The New Testament clearly states that those who believe in God are not judged and those who don't have already been judged.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:36 PM
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The New Testament clearly states that those who believe in God are not judged and those who don't have already been judged.
Everyone is judged according to their works.

Rev.20:[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
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This is the verse I got it from:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And while I can't prove anything from this verse taken out of context, this says what I meant.
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This is the verse I got it from:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And while I can't prove anything from this verse taken out of context, this says what I meant.
What does "believeth on him" mean?
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What does "believeth on him" mean?
Oh, sorry. It means "believes in him", at least that is what I get from other translations. I shouldn't have used that translation.
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What does "believeth on him" mean?
It means you believe that he is equal to God the Father, that he became flesh, was crucified by Pontious Pilot, died, was buried, and rose the third day to eternal life.
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It means you believe that he is equal to God the Father, that he became flesh, was crucified by Pontious Pilot, died, was buried, and rose the third day to eternal life.
Where does the author of "John" say that's what "believe on him" means?
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Where does the author of "John" say that's what "believe on him" means?
It's self-evident. To believe "in" someone means you accept their existence. When I was a kid I believed in the tooth fairy. That's not sufficient in the case of Jesus, just to believe that he exists. To believe "on" someone means you accept what that person represents.
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