Judaism: Gentiles and the Noahide Laws (Earth, Torah, exodus, minority)

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Nimrauko

So there are no jewish extremists? Come on. Get real. And I think I finally found out why you all hate me. Because im not a zionist. Dont have to be a zionist to be jewish people. How bigoted can one be -_- shame shame shame

I respectfully realize that this is a Jewish forum and so will keep my comments in check -- somewhat.

I did not see anyone say that there are no Jewish extremists, likewise it would seem that you confuse vehement disagreement with hatred. The two are hardly the same thing. It also seems to be rather odd to state that those who disagree with you are Zionists? I disagree with you, so does that make me a Zionist gentile? "How bigoted can one be?", you ask. I suspect that you are outlining those boundaries rather well, so please continue, for all to see.

As for the shame -- I am without shame, so in fact, that makes me a tiny bit dangerous as my actions are quite deliberate.


If this breaches RF protocol, the moderators are welcome to nuke it.

[NoahideHiker]

Originally Posted by Nimrauko

So there are no jewish extremists? Come on. Get real. And I think I finally found out why you all hate me. Because im not a zionist. Dont have to be a zionist to be jewish people. How bigoted can one be -_- shame shame shame

First, and foremost, back off on the venom. I never once said I hated you and I made my post to defend your right to be here and to give your point of view. I don't care if you're a Zionist or not. Some are, some aren't.

Second, I never stated there weren't extremists in Judaism. But it irks me when the lunitic fringe extremists somehow get bunched together with the Orthodox.

Third it is the last part of the statement I was pointing out. The cleansing of the Land of Israel of Gentiles. It's ridiculous. It's unbiblical. A person would have to be an absolute imbisile to believe the land of Israel is meant to be cleansed of all Gentiles. Anyone with a basic knowledge of Judaism could never support such an ideology. Why do the Jews have so many laws concerning the treatment of Gentiles? Why will/was there a courtyard of the Gentiles in the Holy Temple? How many times does it say in the Tanach that not only will there be Gentiles in Israel but the 70 nations will be REQUIRED to come to Jerusalem once a year?

If a simple Gentile such as myself sees how absolutely silly this is why are some so easily sucked into believing it?

[Nimrauko]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

First, and foremost, back off on the venom. I never once said I hated you and I made my post to defend your right to be here and to give your point of view. I don't care if you're a Zionist or not. Some are, some aren't.

Second, I never stated there weren't extremists in Judaism. But it irks me when the lunitic fringe extremists somehow get bunched together with the Orthodox.

Third it is the last part of the statement I was pointing out. The cleansing of the Land of Israel of Gentiles. It's ridiculous. It's unbiblical. A person would have to be an absolute imbisile to believe the land of Israel is meant to be cleansed of all Gentiles. Anyone with a basic knowledge of Judaism could never support such an ideology. Why do the Jews have so many laws concerning the treatment of Gentiles? Why will/was there a courtyard of the Gentiles in the Holy Temple? How many times does it say in the Tanach that not only will there be Gentiles in Israel but the 70 nations will be REQUIRED to come to Jerusalem once a year?

If a simple Gentile such as myself sees how absolutely silly this is why are some so easily sucked into believing it?

I think my disdain for Jay was aimed at you unintentionally, and I apologize. Now onto Your response. I dont bunch the extremist lunatics with orthodoxy, firstly because I am orthodox and I dont adhere to their belief. I was attempting to bring to the light that there are some in judaism that hold extremist views, and their views are detrimental to Judaism.

I couldnt find the original post made by the guy but I found a post aimed at him : "Why do you delight in the idea of killing people? So far you have expressed the desire to annihilate Arabs, homosexuals, non-Jews in Israel, and disobedient teenagers. Seriously, what attracts you to this idea?

More importantly, why are the rest of the people who have since posted ignoring this type of talk? Do y'all support this or something?



Actually I was talking to Chava. I liked it better whilst people weren't promoting murder here."

Again if I was overtly rude to you I apologize.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Nimrauko

Why do you delight in the idea of killing people? So far you have expressed the desire to annihilate Arabs, homosexuals, non-Jews in Israel, and disobedient teenagers. Seriously, what attracts you to this idea?

More importantly, why are the rest of the people who have since posted ignoring this type of talk? Do y'all support this or something?

All those opposed to annihilating Arabs, homosexuals, and non-Jews in Israel raise your hand ...

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Nimrauko

So there are no jewish extremists? Come on. Get real. And I think I finally found out why you all hate me. Because im not a zionist. Dont have to be a zionist to be jewish people. How bigoted can one be -_- shame shame shame

again, as has been stated before no one here hates you.

i was bringing my point (which you never responded to) was that it's pointless and counter-productive to bring people who associate with an entirely different national-identity into the Israeli political system. Again, it's like saying that Ugandans who are not American citizens to have a say in American politics.

this is the whole idea behind a 2 state solution since it's obvious that Israelis don't want to be Palestinians and vice versa.

"Why do you delight in the idea of killing people? So far you have expressed the desire to annihilate Arabs, homosexuals, non-Jews in Israel, and disobedient teenagers. Seriously, what attracts you to this idea?

More importantly, why are the rest of the people who have since posted ignoring this type of talk? Do y'all support this or something?

again as Jay pointed out, no one here supports any of these things.

[NoahideHiker]

I've heard interviews with some of the most right wing Zionists and have never heard them even hint at such things. They have spoken out on such issues but never called for their deaths.

[Jayhawker Soule]

To pollute this forum with a pretentious sermon against 'annihilat[ing] Arabs, homosexuals, and non-Jews in Israel' serves absolutely no function other than suggesting that some noteworthy strata of Judaism avers such an attitude. It is a despical distortion of Judaism and Zionism that nourishes the most vitriolic antisemitism.

[Nimrauko]

Originally Posted by Jay

To pollute this forum with a pretentious sermon against 'annihilat[ing] Arabs, homosexuals, and non-Jews in Israel' serves absolutely no function other than suggesting that some noteworthy strata of Judaism avers such an attitude. It is a despical distortion of Judaism and Zionism that nourishes the most vitriolic antisemitism.

I tire of you Jay. You are a broken record so from this moment forward your disregarded.
Despical? Oh you mean Despicable. Spelling is a must if you are going to try and attack me. Secondly, its pretentious to speak out on extreme views? Thirdly, your a naturalist and thus have no place in discussing Judaism with me. Convert and maybe I will listen to you, and only then if you have studied with a rabbi that knows what he is talking about. Fourthly, I tire of your attitude towards me. Perhaps the others turn a blind eye to your ignorance and hatred, but not I my friend. And ,to me ,Zionism means nothing. Judaism and Zionism arent inseparable. They are completely separate and one can be Jewish without adhering to Zionism. But alas, my fault is not with they, but you. I am not going to sit around and have you make under handed comments about me and my sincerity, and let me tell you this, until you have walked in my shoes, dont you dare question my intent. You dont know me, and at 60 something years old I would have expected you to be a bit more mature, but I guess age isnt everything.

[Nimrauko]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker