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Old 09-26-2007, 12:51 AM
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Christians - If God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same individual, how can one be greater than the other?

John 14:28
28 ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Are they "one" or not? If they are one, how can one be greater than the other?
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:38 AM
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:44 AM
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I've had the answer explained to me before. It was something like, they are the same but different.

Actually, come to think of it, that wasn't a very good answer...
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I've had the answer explained to me before. It was something like, they are the same but different.

Actually, come to think of it, that wasn't a very good answer...
LOL. yeah, I am hoping someone will want to try to explain it because I can't figure out how it is supposed to work.
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Philemon 2:6-8

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, equal with God, made himself of no reputation, humbled himself...
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Philemon 2:6-8

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, equal with God, made himself of no reputation, humbled himself...
God = Jesus < God

Got it

Regardless of what Jesus did, if Jesus = God then Jesus = God

"Humble Jesus" = "Humble God"
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:22 PM
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Philemon 2:6-8

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, equal with God, made himself of no reputation, humbled himself...
So you believe Jesus and God are different individuals?

You say that Jesus is the equal of God but then you also say Jesus made himself less than God, does that mean you believe that Jesus was then less than God and equal to God at the same time? How is that possible if they are the same person?
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The Father (usually just called "God") Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit. Three separate entities that make up the Godhead, which is God. Three-in-one, I guess. It's really difficult to explain, and I don't think I'm doing that great of a job. So I'll shut up now.
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Christians - If God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same individual, how can one be greater than the other?

John 14:28
28 ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Are they "one" or not? If they are one, how can one be greater than the other?
Great question. I'll have to ponder that a bit.
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