Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth)

[tomspug]

Originally Posted by nutshell

I agree that it's about living in the Spirit NOW, but what is the result he tells us: that we are joint-heirs with Christ and will receive a glory that won't be taken away. I think it's speaking of what we do now and the result that is to come.

Obviously, we disagree. I think that you are jumping to a conclusion because you were told that it was so, not because it's apparent in the text. I'm just looking at the text and the way it reads.

As for the 1 Nephi 8 passage...

19 And I beheld a arod of iron, and it extended along the bank of the river, and led to the tree by which I stood.


20 And I also beheld a astrait and narrow path, which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain, unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a bworld.


21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were apressing forward, that they might obtain the bpath which led unto the tree by which I stood.

22 And it came to pass that they did come forth, and commence in the path which led to the tree.

23 And it came to pass that there arose a amist of darkness; yea, even an exceedingly great mist of darkness, insomuch that they who had commenced in the path did lose their way, that they wandered off and were blost.

24 And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end of the rod of iron; and they did press forward through the mist of darkness, aclinging to the rod of iron, even until they did come forth and partake of the bfruit of the tree.


25 And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree they did cast their eyes about as if they were aashamed.

26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the aother side of the river of water, a great and bspacious building; and it stood as it were in the cair, high above the earth.

27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the aattitude of bmocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit.

28 And after they had atasted of the fruit they were bashamed, because of those that were cscoffing at them; and they dfell away into forbidden paths and were lost.

29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak aall the words of my father.


Also this...
1 Nephi 13:26 And after they go forth by the ahand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews bunto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that cgreat and abominable dchurch, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have etaken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are fplain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

Seems to imply that the current Bible is somehow incomplete, corrupted. Do you believe that the modern Bible is incomplete?

[tomspug]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

How do you know it means the end of the Bible? Revelation in particular? Perhaps God decided that any addition to Revelation with through Christianity into further confusion and that what was said, was enough.

I agree. I think that it was put at the end of Revelation to imply that nothing should be added to that particular book.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by tomspug

Do you believe that the modern Bible is incomplete?

i believe the Bible is an incomplete collection of Scripture.
Seems to me that Mormons do as well.
at least in theory

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by tomspug

Obviously, we disagree. I think that you are jumping to a conclusion because you were told that it was so, not because it's apparent in the text. I'm just looking at the text and the way it reads.

That's a bold assumption on your part. I was never told that it was so - I discovered it myself while reading and pondering the scriptures. To me, my interpretation is apparent in the text. As you said, we obviously disagree and I'm not sure we'll get much more constructive conversation on this point.

As for the 1 Nephi passage, I'll need to come back to that later as I have some work to do now. Thanks.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

i believe the Bible is an incomplete collection of Scripture.
Seems to me that Mormons do as well.
at least in theory

yes, we do. Brigham Young taught that it was full of errors and mis-translations, missing portions among other things. But when Joseph Smith III got butthurt that he wasn't going to be the next prophet after Joseph Smith was martyred, he took all of the notes Joseph Smith was working on to restore the bible to it's correct, inspired form. He then created the "Community of Christ," an off-shoot of the LDS church.

Brigham Young was worried that people would see us as teaching from a Book we saw as flawed. He then made an official announcement after convening with the 12 apostles and much prayer that The King James Version of the Bible would "suit [his] purpose" and is good enough for now.

If we had retained all of Joseph Smith's notes and was able to compile the Jospeh smith Inspried Version, we would more than likely be using that today.

[tomspug]

So... Brigham Young rejected that part of the Book of Mormon?

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by tomspug

So... Brigham Young rejected that part of the Book of Mormon?

This post (again) shows your lack of understanding of things LDS. Madhatters post has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon.

[silvermoon383]

You might want to re-read your history Madhatter. Joseph Smith III did not start the Community of Christ (then known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), or any other church. And he didn't take his father's notes on the Inspired Version. Emma retained them because they were her husband's.