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Old 12-18-2007, 11:14 AM
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See, I've got a major problem with that belief, and so does Jesus:

Mark 3:22-30 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."


This is known as the only 'unforgivable' sin, to believe that any work of the Holy Spirit is an act of the Devil. If the Catholic Church is 'founded by the Devil', then you're going to have to explain why the 'Devil' has made one of the single, largest contributions of evangelism to the world. Even if you believe the church is corrupt now, it was founded by the original Roman church, which was persecuted and murdered for standing up for their faith. Not to mention if there wasn't a Catholic Church, we might not HAVE a Bible right now.
Like I said and you seem to miss. We're the Mormons, let us explain our own doctrine. You stick to yours.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:15 AM
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Like I said and you seem to miss. We're the Mormons, let us explain our own doctrine. You stick to yours.

Um, I'm responding to the topic. If you don't like it, don't post.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:10 PM
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some Christians do believe in the Book of Mormon....
They are called Mormons.

Very much fewer Christians believe in the Koran.

Not all Christians believe in the Bible in the same way as each other.

None of this proves anything useful....if anything at all.

What we believe defines which religion or denomination we adhere to.

I am quite prepared to accept that people truly believe in their Holy Books.
and because of this I respect both them and the Books.

There's ONLY ONE HOLY BOOK, it's called the BIBLE......PERIOD.
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:15 PM
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There's ONLY ONE HOLY BOOK, it's called the BIBLE......PERIOD.
do you have any evidence to support your claims?
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:01 PM
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Um, I'm responding to the topic. If you don't like it, don't post.

No you aren't.

You are trying to explain our doctrine when it's not yours.
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There's ONLY ONE HOLY BOOK, it's called the BIBLE......PERIOD.
Opinionally. Correct.

Factually. Wrong.
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What does 'joint heirs with Christ' mean? I've been in the church my whole life and have never heard of anything like that. Last time I knew, Christ sits alone on the right hand of God, and he never spoke once about 'inheritance'. I think I see the confusion, because the doctrine of the Trinity is that God and Jesus are the same person, not separate souls. Obviously our religions aren't exactly the same. If you say 'in the Bible', you'd should have a quote from the Bible as a source. That's apologetics 101.
You're right, I failed to quote the source. ROMANS 8:16-17, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."




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So you're saying that you don't believe any Christian denominations to fall into this category?
That's right. I don't believe specific Christian denominations are the great and abominable church referred to in the Book of Mormon. Rather, that evil church is made up of individuals who fight against Christ.
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See, I've got a major problem with that belief, and so does Jesus:

Mark 3:22-30 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."


This is known as the only 'unforgivable' sin, to believe that any work of the Holy Spirit is an act of the Devil. If the Catholic Church is 'founded by the Devil', then you're going to have to explain why the 'Devil' has made one of the single, largest contributions of evangelism to the world. Even if you believe the church is corrupt now, it was founded by the original Roman church, which was persecuted and murdered for standing up for their faith. Not to mention if there wasn't a Catholic Church, we might not HAVE a Bible right now.
I'm sorry, but did you read the link??? The article argues why the LDS position is that the Catholic Church is NOT the great and abominable church referred to in the Book of Mormon. Either you didn't read it or you didn't read it carefully.
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