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Old 12-13-2007, 03:36 PM
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just because one desires something does not me he is able to give it. notice how he says that the sick need the healing. those who do not repent can not partake of mercy,

You don;t understand that Mercy is given through Christ, Justice is given by God, because of Christ's mercy we can be saved after we do all we can do.
It is precisely to the lost that mercy is most cogent.

I don't understand your last statement. The OT talks about the mercy of God all the time. In addition, we believe that Christ is God. Therefore, Christ's mercy is God's mercy. Another of my 97 reasons why Trinitarian theology works. If you're not a Trinitarian, you have to separate what God does from what Christ does. it can cause problems.

I really don't think the working dynamic of justification/salvation is "good cop/bad cop."
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:51 PM
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It is precisely to the lost that mercy is most cogent.

I don't understand your last statement. The OT talks about the mercy of God all the time. In addition, we believe that Christ is God. Therefore, Christ's mercy is God's mercy. Another of my 97 reasons why Trinitarian theology works. If you're not a Trinitarian, you have to separate what God does from what Christ does. it can cause problems.

I really don't think the working dynamic of justification/salvation is "good cop/bad cop."
too bad the trinitarian view is nowhere supported biblically.
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If you're not a Trinitarian, you have to separate what God does from what Christ does. it can cause problems.
Actuall, there's no problem whatsoever because while they are separate beings, they are one in purpose. Surely, God can achieve perfection of purpose with the Son.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:03 PM
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too bad the trinitarian view is nowhere supported biblically.
Too bad the Trinitarian view is not only supported by, but based upon scripture.

Aside from that, God still works mercy in the OT. and God chooses mercy over justice in the OT.
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Too bad the Trinitarian view is not only supported by, but based upon scripture.
Then quote the scripture please.
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:00 PM
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Then quote the scripture please.
**sigh** Haven't we already beaten that dead horse? This tack is derailing the thread.
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**sigh** Haven't we already beaten that dead horse? This tack is derailing the thread.
I'm sorry, I thought this was a debate forum and I haven't posted much in this particular thread. Given you tiredness, my legitimate curiosity, and A-E's threat, can you at least PM me something????

Just this morning, my wife, who is a convert from atheism to Mormonism, stated she doesn't understand the traditional Christianity view of the Trinity. I tried to explain it to her, but knew I didn't do the subject justice because I just don't "get it" either. If I had a specific scriptural reference, I would be glad to try and figure it out for myself. That's all I'm asking.

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