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Old 12-04-2007, 01:09 PM
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But I don't see how that makes sense given the definition and explanation for "canon" that you gave before.

If canon is just that which was most reflective of the beliefs of the people who set it, at the time they set it - and nothing else - then why would the canonical status matter when deciding whether something is valid?
That's not what I said the canon is. The canon is the standard, set by the Church, for the Church. Since the Church exists outside of linear time (In other words, the Church is the Church in all times and in all places), the canon wasn't just for those people at athat time. The canon is for the Church in all times and places. Since the BOM is extra-canonical, it is not considered a standard.
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:17 PM
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I don't think God is legalistic. I think people are legalistic, and the rules set by the religion are tools for people, not tools for God. Some find God one way, some another.
so you don;t belive in justice, the eternal law set forth in the bible? that is a legalistic idea, justice that is.... God sets forth laws, laws pertain to obedience, laws+ obedience = legalistic. if you be lieve in the bible anyways,
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Old 12-08-2007, 12:15 AM
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:59 AM
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so you don;t belive in justice, the eternal law set forth in the bible? that is a legalistic idea, justice that is.... God sets forth laws, laws pertain to obedience, laws+ obedience = legalistic. if you be lieve in the bible anyways,
I believe that love supercedes justice.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:05 AM
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I ordered a copy of the mormon books and pray earnestly and examined them against the other scriptures I accept and at a personal level I do not feel they are the work of the spirit. However I do feel that each person should examine them in detail before discarding them. Just because your church doesnt accept them is an exercise in willful ignorance and a dangerous path to travel!
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I ordered a copy of the mormon books and pray earnestly and examined them against the other scriptures I accept and at a personal level I do not feel they are the work of the spirit. However I do feel that each person should examine them in detail before discarding them. Just because your church doesnt accept them is an exercise in willful ignorance and a dangerous path to travel!
I agree,i have a freind in the US who is a Mormon,before i met her i had no real knowledge of this religion and when i asked her how many husbands she had she collapsed laughing.I now know a lot more and although its not for me it has good in it.
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I believe that love supercedes justice.
how can you think Love superceeds Justice? Justice has always superceeded Love, why else would Christ and God both make statements as to everlasting torment for those who do not repent?
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how can you think Love superceeds Justice? Justice has always superceeded Love, why else would Christ and God both make statements as to everlasting torment for those who do not repent?
I am surprised you would say this. What OT scripture was quoted most often by Jesus?

Matthew 9:10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." NIV

Matthew 12:7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. NIV

Then why didn't Jesus say that they would know that we are his disciples by our JUSTICE??? Jesus died so we wouldn't have to get what we deserve!
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