Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth) - Page 51

madhatter85 · #**501** 12-01-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sojourner

What diffece does it make? It was an official action of the Body of Christ, of which I am a member. Belief has everything to do with it.

It makes a big difference, If God did not tell his church to do something that would close or change their doctrine and they did it anyways, it would make the church untrue to the gospel principals.

I would like to see when, where, and why. Thanks.

madhatter85 · #**502** 12-02-2007, 07:34 PM

So, I;m still wating for an answer Sojurner

sojourner · #**503** 12-03-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

So the Christian Canon should be authoritative for Judaism as well?

No. They have their Canon of scripture -- we have ours. They disagree in some ways.
The Canon was set out of the corpus of scripture that was already believed to be authoritative. Authority isn't the issue. It's determing what is to be a standard that's the issue. What the Canon says is, "this is the corpus of scripture that sets the standard for what is scriptural and authoritative." Everything else is measured by the Canon (which literally means "reed" [used for measuring -- a "yardstick"]).

sojourner · #**504** 12-03-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by madhatter85

It makes a big difference, If God did not tell his church to do something that would close or change their doctrine and they did it anyways, it would make the church untrue to the gospel principals.

I would like to see when, where, and why. Thanks.

The Church is the Body of Christ on earth and, as such, carries the authority to act in God's Name. The Church always acts with the gift of discernment, through the agency of the Holy Spirit. The Church, in its discernment, called a Council of those who had been called to act on behalf of the Church. Part of its business was to set a standard for what was to be considered scriptural, and what was not. There are records of the actions of the Council that set the Canon. You seem to be capable. Do your own research.

Doctrine was not closed. A standard for scripture was set. It's a human tool that God knows we need. We trust that those who have been called of God through the Church do God's work.

madhatter85 · #**505** 12-03-2007, 11:00 AM

Matthew 18:

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16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

do you think God can not speak forth his words according to his own please? do you not think he would remember one nation like unto another?

2nd Nephi 29:
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3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
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6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?

8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.

9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.

Bishka · #**506** 12-03-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by madhatter85

2nd Nephi 29:
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You do realize by presenting Book of Mormon scripture to someone who doesn't believe in the Book of Mormon isn't going to prove any points.

madhatter85 · #**507** 12-03-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by beckysoup61

You do realize by presenting Book of Mormon scripture to someone who doesn't believe in the Book of Mormon isn't going to prove any points.

um, so?

Bishka · #**508** 12-03-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by madhatter85

um, so?

They are just going to dismiss that entire post.

It seems as if you are trying to prove something to them, and I was trying to help you out by pointing out how they would logically see your post.

Guess you don't see it, do you?

madhatter85 · #**509** 12-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Or, i woudl like to see how it is that they dismiss the scripture, because to me at least, the scripture makes perfect sense in regards to the nature of Diety.

simply saying i don;t believe in the Book of Mormon, is not good enough when debating certain scriptural refrences, I would liek to see why they think God cannot speak forth his words according to his own pleasure and why he would only remember one nation and not another.

but i guess you don;t think about those things, it's okay i forgive you.