Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth)

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I think this is largely an argument of semantics, but it serves to explain why you're Mormon and not Roman Catholic...

semantics or not you have yet to answer my question.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

semantics or not you have yet to answer my question.

I think that those who are called to specific ministries always receive revelation necessary to the completion of the task demanded by God. Since the Council was charged with setting the Canon,I believe they received the necessary revelation (whether it be in the form of direct communication, insight, wisdom, inspiration) in order to set the Canon in the manner that was best for them, in God's eyes.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I think that those who are called to specific ministries always receive revelation necessary to the completion of the task demanded by God. Since the Council was charged with setting the Canon,I believe they received the necessary revelation (whether it be in the form of direct communication, insight, wisdom, inspiration) in order to set the Canon in the manner that was best for them, in God's eyes.

You believe, but you have yet to show me official declarations or a source stating exactly Who closed the cannon, when, and by what means either professing direct revelation from God, or was it a vote between the members of the council? or what exactly transpired.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I think that those who are called to specific ministries always receive revelation necessary to the completion of the task demanded by God. Since the Council was charged with setting the Canon,I believe they received the necessary revelation (whether it be in the form of direct communication, insight, wisdom, inspiration) in order to set the Canon in the manner that was best for them, in God's eyes.

However, the Christian canon can be seen as Apocrypha in the Jewish context. What gave the Christian church the right in the first place to set any sort of canon that was different from what was accepted in Judaism? And if the canon can be set once for ancient Judaism and then re-set for Christianity, why can't it be re-set again at some later date if "demanded by God" (however one determines this)?

The point I'm having trouble with is that the New Testament is as invalid (or at least different) in the context that came before it as the Book of Mormon is. The adoption of the New Testament represents one instance of accepting new material into the established canon. I don't see how you can then say that one can never accept new material into the established canon - in mainstream Christianity, it happened once anyhow.

[madhatter85]

Thanks Penguin, i liked that post.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

However, the Christian canon can be seen as Apocrypha in the Jewish context. What gave the Christian church the right in the first place to set any sort of canon that was different from what was accepted in Judaism? And if the canon can be set once for ancient Judaism and then re-set for Christianity, why can't it be re-set again at some later date if "demanded by God" (however one determines this)?

The point I'm having trouble with is that the New Testament is as invalid (or at least different) in the context that came before it as the Book of Mormon is. The adoption of the New Testament represents one instance of accepting new material into the established canon. I don't see how you can then say that one can never accept new material into the established canon - in mainstream Christianity, it happened once anyhow.

The problem is that the Jews were almost dead as a religion during the first little while of Christianity. Nothing was set in Judaism, when the Christian Canon was under debate. The Jewish Canon wasn't set until after the Christian Canon was set. You've got the tail wagging the dog here.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by sojourner

The problem is that the Jews were almost dead as a religion during the first little while of Christianity. Nothing was set in Judaism, when the Christian Canon was under debate. The Jewish Canon wasn't set until after the Christian Canon was set. You've got the tail wagging the dog here.

So the Christian Canon should be authoritative for Judaism as well?

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

You believe, but you have yet to show me official declarations or a source stating exactly Who closed the cannon, when, and by what means either professing direct revelation from God, or was it a vote between the members of the council? or what exactly transpired.

What diffece does it make? It was an official action of the Body of Christ, of which I am a member. Belief has everything to do with it.

[namguy]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Why don't Christians accept the Book of Mormon to be true? It testifys of Christ our Savior, as the Messiah, the Great Mediator. And it's a solid Book, it has substance.

You don't believe there is any way that Christ would have appeared to his "Sheep of another fold" (mentioned in the bible) in the americas after his ressurection. Or that Both God and Christ would appear to a modern day prophet.

Yet, they believe that God, or even the "Mother Mary" would speak to 6 old women in Bosnia?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why you think the way you do.

I ask you, first, who has the last word, the Book of Mormon or the Bible? Of course, though you wouldn't dare too tell the truth, you believe the Book of Mormon...right? Secondly, all the prophecies have been fulfulled by Jesus Christ, The Son Of Man, The Saviour of the World. Before His assumption 'back to Heaven' He said "It is finished." No more of the Old Testment laws, no more prophets, no more speaking in toungs, never 'dancing in the spirit' as some groups believe in, no loosing Salvation once one has been saved by the remission of sins by The Blood of The Lamb, though they're some groups that believe Salvation can be lost, NO IT CAN'T!
I'm out of here, too much of mixed up thoughts that have strayed so far from the truth...shame.