Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth)

[Hope]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Exactly, God does not go back on his word, and he told them if they didn't listen to them he would destroy them and no longer count them among his people. that's the way it has always been throughout scripture, "Do this, and I'll give you this, if you don't, I wont"

Ok, madhatter, now you are thoroughly confusing me.

This is what you said: "Jesrusalem was destroyed because of the wickedness of the people. Musilims and jews are not chrisitans. why would god continue to promise a land to someone when they reject Christ completely and insist on destroyign themselves?"

I pointed out a verse that plainly shows God made a promise to Israel, to keep His name in Jerusalem forever. Forever. Does the word "forever" have a different definition to you? There are many, many more verses like this throughout the Old Testament. I also said that God making this promise did not mean the Israelites would not be punished for their sins, as you seem to think. They were. They were sent into exile, they were scattered across the globe. Nonetheless, God keeps His promises, and the fact that Israel is a nation again is proof of that. He brought them back, just as He promised He would. In your quote above, you questioned how God could continue to promise the land to Israel. Because, if you actually read the Bible, this is what He says.

You, on the other hand, keep implying that Israel no longer deserves their land, because they sinned against God. This is strictly a Mormon doctrine. It is not Scriptural. God never threatened to take their land away permanently. Only temporarily. This is why I said, if I consider the Mormon doctrine to be true, then that makes God a liar and untrustworthy. So unless you read a different Bible than mine, I cannot comprehend how you can reconcile the two opposing views.

And it is consistent with old revelation, the events in the Book of Mormon 100% coincide with the events in the old and new testament. the messages are the same, just a lot more plain and simple. The words of God are simple, he would never make riddles for us and try to confuse us, "....for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God" D&C Section 132.

So far all the conflicting views you have presented have not proved this.

I asked a question, and that is not an answer to it, If you think that God would deliberately confuse us, why do you think so?

It was most definitely an answer. And I never said I believe God wants to confuse us. The reason I don't believe in Mormonism is because I believe the opposite: that He is not a God of confusion! For me to believe the Book of Mormon and the Bible, I would have no choice but to believe God likes to confuse us. Because they say contradicting things. Do you see my point now?

No, it is not, because God keeps his promises, and if people don;t do what they are told, they loose their blessings and promises. everything the Lord promises is a Covenant. Similar to a "Quid-Pro-Quo" if you will, without the sexual context.

Certainly God does make some promises with conditions. And He makes this clear if He does.

But the promise to Israel is not one of those types of promises. As I said before, there wouldn't be all these verses promising Israel an inheritance forever, if God planned to trash that promise as soon as they sinned. Then He would be a liar. Forever is a pretty strong word.

[namguy]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

some Christians do believe in the Book of Mormon....
They are called Mormons.

Very much fewer Christians believe in the Koran.

Not all Christians believe in the Bible in the same way as each other.

None of this proves anything useful....if anything at all.

What we believe defines which religion or denomination we adhere to.

I am quite prepared to accept that people truly believe in their Holy Books.
and because of this I respect both them and the Books.

The Book of Morman, if that's what you believe....well*&^%$#@

[namguy]

Originally Posted by Hope

How does one "prove" such a thing anyway? I think the Scriptures are pretty clear.

(Fala portugues? )

According to the Mormans the Book of Morman has the last word, not the Bible.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Hope

Ok, madhatter, now you are thoroughly confusing me.

You and everybody else, Hope.

This is strictly a Mormon doctrine. It is not Scriptural. God never threatened to take their land away permanently. Only temporarily. This is why I said, if I consider the Mormon doctrine to be true, then that makes God a liar and untrustworthy. So unless you read a different Bible than mine, I cannot comprehend how you can reconcile the two opposing views.

Don't worry about trying to reconcile these two views. This is NOT LDS doctrine, it's MadHatter's opinion.

For me to believe the Book of Mormon and the Bible, I would have no choice but to believe God likes to confuse us. Because they say contradicting things. Do you see my point now?

Hope, could you give me an example of something the Book of Mormon teaches that contradicts what the Bible teaches? I believe both of these books to be true scripture, and I've never found any contradiction between the two.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by namguy

According to the Mormans the Book of Morman has the last word, not the Bible.

1. The correct spelling is MORMON, not MORMAN. 2. Your statement is false.

[joeboonda]

If one wants indesputable proof that the book of Mormon is not true, watch this video: Living Hope Ministries

This compares doctrine: Mormon Challenge: Scripture & Doctrinal Reference Guide

Living Hope Ministries Home for more info: http://www.lhvm.org/index.htm

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

If one wants indesputable proof that the book of Mormon is not true, watch this video: Living Hope Ministries

This compares doctrine: Mormon Challenge: Scripture & Doctrinal Reference Guide

Living Hope Ministries Home for more info: http://www.lhvm.org/index.htm

How do you equate Indisputable proof with an anti-Mormon site.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

How do you equate Indisputable proof with an anti-Mormon site.

They said they love Mormons. Did you bother to watch the video? Get back to me if you do.

[silvermoon383]

Please note that every anti-Mormon person/site/book/pamphet/what-have-you states that they love Mormons.

In fact, Hugh Nibley made it #1 on his checklist for "How to Write an Anti-Mormon Book".

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

They said they love Mormons. Did you bother to watch the video? Get back to me if you do.

They do???

I never noticed that. I guess my religion is false then.