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Why don't Christians accept the Book of Mormon to be true? It testifys of Christ our Savior, as the Messiah, the Great Mediator. And it's a solid Book, it has substance.

You don't believe there is any way that Christ would have appeared to his "Sheep of another fold" (mentioned in the bible) in the americas after his ressurection. Or that Both God and Christ would appear to a modern day prophet.

Yet, they believe that God, or even the "Mother Mary" would speak to 6 old women in Bosnia?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why you think the way you do.
I'm not exactly Christian, but why accept something as true if it conflicts with your understanding of the world?
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I'm not exactly Christian, but why accept something as true if it conflicts with your understanding of the world?
Well, if it is true then you should accept it because your understanding of the world is off and needs to be updated
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The thirty-six carbon 14 dates associated pre-Columbian gold objects from Colombia, mentioned in this article, mostly reinforce the known data or make the existing chronology more precise. The early dates obtained for the Sinú region in north-western Colombia, if confirmed, would make us reconsider the history of American metallurgy, currently thought to have originated in the Peruvian highlands around the fifteenth century BC, from where it spread gradually to the north, with dates of between the seventh and fifth centuries BC for Colombia and Ecuador, the first centuries after Christ for Panama and Costa Rica, and the seventh to thirteenth centuries AD for Mexico.
Wait.... could somebody tell me when Nephi and co landed in America? Oh yes, around 600 BC. that's right....


Please feel free to browse this scholarly study of metalurgy in South America and educate yourself before you embarrass yourself any further.

Biblioteca Luis Ángel Arango



Also from the Metropolitan Museum timeline of Art History:

• ca. 350 B.C. Metals are being worked on the coast of northern Ecuador. While gold comes from alluvial deposits, copper is probably traded from the highlands in exchange for sea products, primarily spondylus shell.

Northern Andes, 1000 B.C.–1 A.D. | Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art
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and from the Scientific American magazine:

Lake Reveals Evidence of Pre-Incan Silver Industry: Scientific American

SCIENCE NEWS
September 26, 2003
Lake Reveals Evidence of Pre-Incan Silver Industry

By Chris Jozefowicz

"From the depths of a small Andean lake scientists have pulled up evidence of pre-Incan silver smelting that is nearly 1,000 years old. The discovery of metals associated with smelting in Bolivia's Laguna Lobato suggests that people practiced large-scale silver ore mining some 400 years before 15th-century Incans began their silver industry in the area. The findings, published today in the journal Science, clarify a record of New World technology that was partly destroyed by the extensive plundering and recycling associated with Spanish conquest. "
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Well, if it is true then you should accept it because your understanding of the world is off and needs to be updated
Guess what? I was born into the Mormon church, my dad was a HP.
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Under a reservoir? That's conveniently unfortunate.

When you get there, please fill us in on why and how ancient Americans collected and disposed of every scrap of metal that their civilizations ever used.
Read this chapter in the Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 9

The major cities of the Book of Mormon were burned and/or buried when Christ was crucified. Great judgements fell upon those living in the Americas at the time of Christ's death on the cross.. Christ then appeared to the survivors. There were great devastations/desolations..

This short video seems to give some evidence of a mass burial. Just stumbled upon it a while back..

Mysterious World - Peru

A quote from this short clip...

"The first traces of settlement go back 2500 years ago".

The Book of Mormon starts it's timeline 2600 years ago, when Lehi and his family left Jerusalem and set sail for the "promised land," the new world...

There is plenty of evidence if you really want to know if the Book of Mormon is true or not, most don't, and are only preoccupied with discrediting it, so they can make themselves feel better for rejecting it...

If you reject the Book of Mormon you are rejecting the fullness of Christ's gospel. Christ is the author of the Book of Mormon and the Bible. They are two witnesses of Christ as the Messiah that has come into the world to save us from the world.

John 3: 17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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Guess what? I was born into the Mormon church, my dad was a HP.
That's great - and somewhat irrelevant. Your past experience does nothing to change whether or not the book is true.

Granted, my response was mostly facaetious (sp?) and didn't really help anyone anyway.
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Read this chapter in the Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 9

The major cities of the Book of Mormon were burned and/or buried when Christ was crucified. Great judgements fell upon those living in the Americas at the time of Christ's death on the cross.. Christ then appeared to the survivors. There were great devastations/desolations..

This short video seems to give some evidence of a mass burial. Just stumbled upon it a while back..

Mysterious World - Peru

A quote from this short clip...

"The first traces of settlement go back 2500 years ago".

The Book of Mormon starts it's timeline 2600 years ago, when Lehi and his family left Jerusalem and set sail for the "promised land," the new world...

There is plenty of evidence if you really want to know if the Book of Mormon is true or not, most don't, and are only preoccupied with discrediting it, so they can make themselves feel better for rejecting it...

If you reject the Book of Mormon you are rejecting the fullness of Christ's gospel. Christ is the author of the Book of Mormon and the Bible. They are two witnesses of Christ as the Messiah that has come into the world to save us from the world.

John 3: 17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
The chances are pretty slim that anything in the BoM occured in Peru. The most likely spot for the BoM is in southern Mexico and Guatamala. There are too many inconsistencies within the book itself to support an "all of North and South America" view. These disappear if you look at it on a smaller scale though.
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