Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth)

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

There is definitely a contradiction. you just exposed that the things written in the book mormons contradicted itself...

Well that might actually be relevent if that quote was from the Book of Mormon. It's not. It's from the Doctrine and Covenants. It even says that up in the corner. it says Donctrine and Covenants 132:61-62. So please try top find that contradiction in the Book of Mormon. Besides, it's actually the Book of Mormon NOT the Book of Mormons.

Hebrews 7:24
But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

You are mistaken sir, Christ has an unchangeable preisthood.

I'm not mistaken becuase I absolutely AGREE that Christ has an unchangable priesthood. I never sai dthat He didn't. What I did say is that the Keys of the Priesthood which where held the the twelve apostles were taken from the earth after ther deaths. Because no one on the earth but the Apostles can hold these keys. Since there were no more Apostles there was no more Priesthood on the earth. Thus the church no longer had the authority to perform the churches functions.

The bible was not distorted, and Paul eplicitly isntructed to keep to that which is written. and john said that we can have feloowship with them through the Gospel.

I didn't say the Bible was distorted, I said the doctrines of the church were distorted. We can see that clearly because of the huge differences between the Catholic church and the Church that Christ established.

Christ is the Head of the church, with an inchangeable priesthood. There is no need for restoration because the Chruch was not destroyed. The church was the body of christ. "keep to that which is written and you will have fellowhip with us" said the apostles."

So why then is the church completely different that that which was established by Christ?

Timothy, the righthand of Paul received these instructions:

1 Timothy 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

1 Timothy 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,


1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

I don't disagree with any of these scriptures.

What is you biblical proof that he was referring to Joseph Smith?

What is me biblical proof that this scripture was refering to Joseph Smith? I never said this scripture was refering to Joseph Smith. I only used the scripture to counter your arguement that it is OK that God has not called any more prophets or apostles since the time of His original church.

But I think we are getting a little off topic. If you want to discuss this futher then you can start another thread.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

I don't disagree with any of these scriptures.

Then, you agree that Timothy was instructed to keep the same doctrine taught by Paul, which did not include having ten virgin wives?

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Then, you agree that Timothy was instructed to keep the same doctrine taught by Paul, which did not include having ten virgin wives?

I definatly agree that Paul taught Timothy to teach those things that God wanted the people of that time to live by. I also definatly agree that Paul didn't have Timothy teach anything to the people of the NT about having ten virgins wives.

But what does this have to do with the Book of Mormon? Since the Book of Mormon expressly condemns having multiple wives.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

What is me biblical proof that this scripture was refering to Joseph Smith? I never said this scripture was refering to Joseph Smith. I only used the scripture to counter your arguement that it is OK that God has not called any more prophets or apostles since the time of His original church.

you are referring to what amos who was a prophet that came before Christ, and Christ came, his apostles came, and the very same apostles said:

1 Corinthians 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

LAST MEANS END. Jospeh Smith is not included.

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

But I think we are getting a little off topic. If you want to discuss this futher then you can start another thread.

very much in the topic sir, i am proving the basis for my answer as to why Christians do not ackowledge the book of mormons as valid.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

Well that might actually be relevent if that quote was from the Book of Mormon. It's not. It's from the Doctrine and Covenants. It even says that up in the corner. it says Donctrine and Covenants 132:61-62. So please try top find that contradiction in the Book of Mormon. Besides, it's actually the Book of Mormon NOT the Book of Mormons.
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Which church taught this doctrines and covenants?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

I definatly agree that Paul taught Timothy to teach those things that God wanted the people of that time to live by. I also definatly agree that Paul didn't have Timothy teach anything to the people of the NT about having ten virgins wives.

But what does this have to do with the Book of Mormon? Since the Book of Mormon expressly condemns having multiple wives.

Your chruch's doctrines and covenants,did say the bishop can have 10 vrgin wives.

Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, hence your Church's doctrine contradics Christs.

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

you are referring to what amos who was a prophet that came before Christ, and Christ came, his apostles came, and the very same apostles said:

1 Corinthians 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

LAST MEANS END. Jospeh Smith is not included.

So which scripture is right then? Amos doens't say 'God will do nothing be reveal His secret unto His Servants the Prophets until the time of Chirst when after those prophets dies there will be no more.'

I reconcile these two verses because I interpret Amos to hold true and that it is the standard of God to raise up Prophets to reveal His word. Now it's possible that Timothy knew they were going to be that last Apostles in that time period. Or since it says "I think" at the beginning of that verse that means it is his opinion, not doctrine. Since Apostles opinons aren't docrtine. This couls also be plausable because Timothy thaught they they would be tthe last generation before Christ's second coming, since it was a common belief back then that Christs Second coming would only be a few years after His resurrection.

very much in the topic sir, i am proving the basis for my answer as to why Christians do not ackowledge the book of mormons as valid.

Ok, if you say insist.

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Which church taught this doctrines and covenants?

It's our book the Doctrine and covenants.

Your chruch's doctrines and covenants,did say the bishop can have 10 vrgin wives.

I didn't read where it says that Bishops can have 10 virgins. It was simple giving the general example of a man having ten wives to illustrate some concepts of the docrtine of polygamy.

Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true

I agree.

hence your Church's doctrine contradics Christs.

Abraham also had more than one wife. So he was living contradictory to Christ. There fore He is condemned as well. What about the other OT prophets that had multiple wives?

What we believe is that God can reveal certain doctrines at different times to different people. This concept is very well supported in the Bible. We believe that God commanded the church to practice polygamy. Since the Book of Mormon condemns polygamy wouldn't we then be contradicting ourselves? But if a person believes God gives certain commandments to certain people during certain times. And that these commandmenst may sometimes be in opposision to each other, then there is no problem.

But of course the commandment to practice polygamy was ended in the late 1800s. Any member practicing polygamy now is excommunicated. Since it is currently our doctrine to NOT practice polygamy there's no longer a contradiction to what Christ taught, now is there?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

It's our book the Doctrine and covenants.

Thefore, we have established that the doctrines and covenants that i pasted in this thread belong to the Mormon Chruch.

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

I didn't read where it says that Bishops can have 10 virgins. It was simple giving the general example of a man having ten wives to illustrate some concepts of the docrtine of polygamy.

ok. we also agree that it was clearly stated thay your church's Doctrine and covenants condoned to man having 10 wives, which as you said is a concept of the doctrine of polygamy.

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

I agree.

ok, you agree that two contradictinc concepts cannot be both true.

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

Abraham also had more than one wife. So he was living contradictory to Christ. There fore He is condemned as well. What about the other OT prophets that had multiple wives?

Abraham was under the OT hence under old testament laws. Christ teachings is under the NT, therefore under new testament laws. Joseph Smith lived long before under christ. In order for them to have been sent by the same God, they should have preached the same teachings. and you have agreed above that they did not. Christ did not condone polygamy, Your doctrines and covenants written by Joseph Smith did.

By the way, i never said anyone is condemned. no one is.

you might ask, where in the bible does it state that the laws was changed?

Heb 7:12

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

When the priesthood was changed from the israelites to Christ the law was changed. hence Christ said in another verse " I didn't come to change the lawm but to PERFECT the law"

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

What we believe is that God can reveal certain doctrines at different times to different people. This concept is very well supported in the Bible. We believe that God commanded the church to practice polygamy.

unfortunately sir, you are misled, as i have mentioned. the apostles were suppose to be the last, and the instruction was to keep to what is written and teach the same gospel. Paul even went as far as saying to condemn even an angel from heaven that will teach a different gospel.

logic will dictate that it is improssible for the same God in the bible to command your church to polygamy when He sent Christ to change the law. again, Joseph Smith did not live until long after Christ.