Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid? (Jesus, Earth)

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

I skimmed it, I hadn't the will to actually read it all. I thought it's basic premis is all wrong. For starters, there was no way people of those times had ships capable of undertaking ocean voyages, that is archaeological fact. From that basic fact, it all falls down.

Melissa G

Yeah, since it is obvious that they were building ships like they'd all seen before

If that's the only thing you've got, it's pretty weak, seeing as the BoM itself says that this wasn't something that was common, or even really known at the time.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

I skimmed it, I hadn't the will to actually read it all. I thought it's basic premis is all wrong. For starters, there was no way people of those times had ships capable of undertaking ocean voyages, that is archaeological fact. From that basic fact, it all falls down.

Melissa G

So you think that it was impossible to have ocean going ships 2000 years ago and that is what you base your entire opinion on? ok.

educate yourself:

Galley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

Interesting article.

"Ancient Voyages Across the Ocean to America: From "Impossible" to "Certain"

Thought you might want to take a look at this since you stated that it couldn't happen.

For me, that's not a big mental leap - around that time, the Polynesians were sailing all over the South Pacific. If you can sail from New Zealand to Hawai'i, it's plausible that you could sail to the Americas as well.

One thing I'm not clear on is how every single culture in the Americas suddenly decided to give up on metal and metallurgy, despite the amazing advantages it gives a civilization. Did they dump their metal coins, weapons and tools in the ocean, then all simultaneously whack themselves on the head to make themselves forget how to mine and work metal?

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Care to tell us where Zarahemla is

Sorrenson believes that Zarahemla is likely a site known as "Santa Rosa" in southern Mexico. Unfortunately, the site is now beneath a reservoir.

He's got a section in his book about metals, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

Sorrenson believes that Zarahemla is likely a site known as "Santa Rosa" in southern Mexico. Unfortunately, the site is now beneath a reservoir.

Under a reservoir? That's conveniently unfortunate.

I'll have to check the book out. The reviews piqued my interest

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

He's got a section in his book about metals, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

When you get there, please fill us in on why and how ancient Americans collected and disposed of every scrap of metal that their civilizations ever used.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Under a reservoir? That's conveniently unfortunate.

On the contrary, you seem to have found it rather conveniently fortunate. Which doesn't really prove anything one way or the other.

When you get there, please fill us in on why and how ancient Americans collected and disposed of every scrap of metal that their civilizations ever used.

Please give me chapter and verse for the "scrap metal" you're referring to and I'll see what I can dig up for you. You are incorrect, by the way, when you suggest that metal was unknown in America prior to the Spanish conquest. I'm just not quite sure what you're referring to, so if you could be a little more specific, it would be helpful.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

I really don't want to get involved in this, but from everything I've read, Smith was a charlatan, and simply invented his whole story.

Perhaps, in the future, if you don't want to get involved, you might want to consider not getting involved. Since you already have, though, perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us what you've read that has convinced you that he was a charlatan. Also, be sure to mention where you read it, as your source is quite pertinent to the validity or lack thereof of your claim.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

That may be a rather direct way of putting it, but that's probably a fair assessment of the feelings of most people who reject the Book of Mormon.

Interestingly, though, most people who reject the Book of Mormon have never read it.

Care to tell us...where we can find an example of Nephite metallurgy, or explain of why the native North and South Americans had no metal tools or knowledge of metalworking when the Europeans arrived?

That would be pretty difficult, since your statement is false. Obviously, your knowledge of the Americas prior to the Spanish invasion is not exactly current.

[Comprehend]