Problems at Church (attending, doctrine, Christians, Christ)

[Baerly]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

You were doing SO WELL until you said this:I triple dog dare you to support this scripturally. They wrote FAR MORE than what Jesus told them.

BTW, if you seek to be justified under ANY LAW, then Christ died for nothing! We don't need laws: we just need a new heart!

(2Peter 1:20,21) teaches us that Holy men wrote what the Spirit led them to write.

(John 14:26 ; 16:13) tells us that the Holy Spirit was to bring back to their remembrance all things whatsoever things the Lord said to the apostles.

(1Cor.14:37) teaches us that the things Paul wrote were the commandments of Jesus.

When we add all these things that happened in the above scriptures we learn that

1.God gave a message to Jesus (John 17:8).

2.Jesus gave the message to the apostles (John 17:8,14).

3.The Holy Spirit helped the apostles to remember that message and write it down after Jesus died (John 14:26 ; 16:13) (2Peter 1:20-21).

The apostle Paul said he taught the same message in every church (1Cor.4;7)

I truly do not think there is any evidence that the apostles wrote more than what Jesus said to them. If there is, I would like to know it.

About Law, the New Testment teaches if we obey the commandments of Jesus we will be obeying the LAW OF CHRIST (Gal.6:1,2).

The book of James tells us that we are to continue in the perfect LAW OF LIBERTY (James 1:25).

The LAW OF LIBERTY and the LAW OF CHRIST are one in the same. They are the New Testamnet Law.

If there is no law, there is NO SIN (1John 3:4). For sin is transgressing the Law.

If a person will read (Mt.7:23) they would find that the Lord was not pleased with those who [THOUGHT] they were without Law.

The New King James uses the word LAWLESSNESS for iniquities (Mt.7:23).

Just a few thoughts

Baerly

[JayHawes]

Originally Posted by Baerly

Hi again, the Law of MOSES was given ONLY to the Jews according to (Ex.34:27,28).

Within those verses we learn that the law of Moses contained the 10 commandments.

So only Israelites were under the O.T.Law (or 10 Commandments).

The Gentiles continued under Patriarchal Law until (Acts 10).

Gentiles were never under the 10 commandments. People today are not under the 10 commandments. The reason being that Jesus fulfilled the O.T.Law and took it out of the way. (Heb.8:6-13) (2Cor.3) (Col.2:14-16) (Heb.9:15-17) (Eph.2:13-16).

Also the O.T.Law did not forgive sins (Heb.10:4).

Forgiveness is only found under the N.T.Law (Heb.8:12).

Jesus did restate some of the same principles again in the N.T Law. It is for this reason that we follow some of the same principles that was found in the O.T.Law. We follow them now because they are the commandments of The Lord (1Cor.14:37), [His New Testament will] (Heb.9:15-17].

When Paul makes the above statement he gives creedence to all scripture wrote by the apostles. What the apostles wrote was what Jesus spoke while living with them (John 14:26 ; 16:13) .

Baerly

This is not a dicussion about salvation. This is about intruments. I totally agree with most of what you said. as for the rest i'll adress later.