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View Poll Results: Is Jesus God the Father?
Yes 6 24.00%
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:19 PM
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Trinitarians compose a large swath of believes. I am sure one could find those who would answer yes and those who would answer no. So just to be different I will answer both yes and no. Jesus and the Father are both fully divine, there is only one God, and so in some sense they are one and the same. Yet they are both distinct persona's of the one God and so Jesus is Jesus and The Father is The Father and the one is not the other, so they are not one and the same. To put it bluntly the Trinity is an absolute mystery beyond our comprehension. We may not even be able to grasp it after we die and come face to face with it. So the answer IMO is yes and no, Jesus is and is not The Father. Don't ask me how that works in reality.
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Oh, darn! Now I am confused! Seriously, I'm sorry. Dawny belongs to a Pentacostal Church and yet I know she is a Trinitarian. Is there a difference of opinion on this doctrine between Pentacostal Christians?
Not all Pentacostals are Oneness Pentacostals.

I found a bit on the difference in theology, also from that website.

Oneness vs. Trintiy
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P.S. The official Catholic position is probably no Jesus is not God the Father but I will have to do some research to find out for sure....
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Trinitarians compose a large swath of believes. I am sure one could find those who would answer yes and those who would answer no. So just to be different I will answer both yes and no. Jesus and the Father are both fully divine, there is only one God, and so in some sense they are one and the same. Yet they are both distinct persona's of the one God and so Jesus is Jesus and The Father is The Father and the one is not the other, so they are not one and the same. To put it bluntly the Trinity is an absolute mystery beyond our comprehension. We may not even be able to grasp it after we die and come face to face with it. So the answer IMO is yes and no, Jesus is and is not The Father. Don't ask me how that works in reality.
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I would have to say no, Jesus is not the Father yet he is still God.

As to the oneness thing they believe different to the mainstream Pentecostals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostal
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I would have to say no, Jesus is not the Father yet he is still God.

As to the oneness thing they believe different to the mainstream Pentecostals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostal
Thank you for your input. I learned something new tonight. I didn't know the first thing about "Oneness Pentecostals" till now.
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Cop out! In trying to weigh your "yes" against your "no," your "no" is more convincing.
Ok, ok I know its a cop out. But you are right, I tend to think no is the better answer, although I think there is allot more to it than a simple yes or no.
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Is this really what Trinitarians believe?

Comments from everyone are welcome. Please do not vote unless you are a trinitarian.
Why not? I believe that Jesus spoke for all of us when he said, "I and my Father are one."

"A" cannot be both "A" and "not-A" at the same time, same place and in the same relationship, but "A" can be both "A" and "not-A" at the same time and same place in a different relationship. So the answer is Yes and No.

I suggest the book, The Cloud of Unknowing, written by an unknown author in the fourteenth century.

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Oh, darn! Now I am confused! Seriously, I'm sorry. Dawny belongs to a Pentacostal Church and yet I know she is a Trinitarian. Is there a difference of opinion on this doctrine between Pentacostal Christians?
Yes, there are Oneness Pentecostal churches, which are different from Trinitarian ones.
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Katz, straight from the horse's mouth: Jesus is not the Father.
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