The LDS "Articles of Faith" (Jesus Christ, ritual, Latter-Day Saints)

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by FFH

Did some dictionary and google searches and can't quite pinpoint it..

Okay I found it. It was basically a made up word meaning someone who has four split personalities...

Quad (four)

Schizophrenia (split personalities)

Combine the two and you have quadrophenia and quadrophenic personality

Found this from a "Who" site.

James Michael Cooper had a four way split personality (designed to reflect the four members of The Who, mislabeled Quadrophenia in reference to Schizophrenia). Jimmy is supposed to be four people: a tough guy, a romantic, a lunatic, and a hypocrite.

Quadrophenia is from the Who's Album. My husband and I are huge Who fans and that is what he has always used as a username!

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by bible truth

Hey Comprehend,

I have about 12 pages printed out from your official Mormon sources. I can honestly say that I disagree with most of it through a quick overview. My theology is Protestant Reformed evangelical. Therefore, nothing is new under the sun in my proclamation of the gospel. What is so puzzling about this entire debate over the last several weeks is the great desire for LDS members to be acknowledged as Christian brothers and sisters with evangelical Christians. Why is that?

Actually, I think it is the other way around. You MSC's go around telling us we aren't Christians and we have to defend ourselves. If you guys didn't go around attacking us, we wouldn't need to defend ourselves.

What does it matter if evangelicals accept you as fellow Christians? This will never happen in our life time. We believe in radically different things about essential biblical doctrine.

It doesn't matter if you accept us, however we will continue to tell the truth and defend ourselves against dishonesty. It is quite telling that MSC's feel the need to go around judging who is and is not a christian in their eyes.

It was so much easier when the LDS church just boldly proclaimed traditional historical Christianity apostate. It's okay to proclaim the message of restoration of apostate Christianity, if that's what you truly believe.

we still do that. I am not sure what you mean by "it was so much easier". what was so much easier? I can understand why you MSC's are getting desperate. The LDS church is growing incredibly fast while the MSC churches are dwindling. Kind of makes you wonder huh?

But don't expect to be received by the mainstream protestant churches with a restoration message along with official LDS doctrine. We simply believe in a different gospel and a different Christ. We do not have the same faith, or the same hope, or the same God. - BT

See what I mean. All you are concerned about is saying who you don't think is in your club. It isn't your place to judge. Anyway, you are wrong. We do believe in the same gospel, Christ and God, we just know a little bit more about it than you.

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by bible truth

I read in the Mormon sources provided by Comprehend that the LDS church teaches a doctrine of an 'age of accountability. It appears FFH is saying chidren under the age of 8 are incapabe of sinning and are innocent. Behold the Word of God.

Psalm 58:3:
Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Psalm 51:5: (David)
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Behold the word of God (roar!!! LOL)

Matt 18:10-11
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Mark 16:16
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

How do you convince an infant to "believe" before it is baptized?

Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:4
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

How many infants do you know who are able to repent?

Gal 3:26-27
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

How many infants are capable of having faith in Christ before they are baptized?


Here is some information you are missing:

Moro 8:8
8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
Moro 8:9
9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me; wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that ye should baptize little children.
Moro 8:10
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach--repentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.
Moro 8:11
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.
Moro 8:12
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
Moro 8:13
13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these must have gone to an endless hell.
Moro 8:14
14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell.
Moro 8:15
15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.
Moro 8:16
16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for perfect love casteth out all fear.
Moro 8:17
17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.
Moro 8:18
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
Moro 8:19
19 Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his mercy.
Moro 8:20
20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the atonement of him and the power of his redemption.
Moro 8:21
21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, hell, and an endless torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give heed, or they stand against you at the judgment-seat of Christ.
Moro 8:22
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth not

[quadrophenic_9]

Originally Posted by FFH

Did some dictionary and google searches and can't quite pinpoint it..

Okay I found it. It was basically a made up word meaning someone who has four split personalities...

Quad (four)

Schizophrenia (split personalities)

Combine the two and you have quadrophenia or a quadrophenic personality

Yup, pretty much. The Who released a double album with music written about a young man struggling with the typical teenage issues. In the album each member of the who was given a musical personality/theme which was then instilled into the character as one of his personalities. I can't recall all of them but in the booklet which was written from the perspective of their ficional teen, he calls himself a quadrophenic as he has pinpointed all 4 of his specific personalities. I love the album and the word so I plaugerized it. The 9 is because it's my favorite number because of the beatles revolution #9.

*edit-- can we say offtopic?

[FFH]

Originally Posted by bible truth

I read in the Mormon sources provided by Comprehend that the LDS church teaches a doctrine of an 'age of accountability. It appears FFH is saying chidren under the age of 8 are incapabe of sinning and are innocent. Behold the Word of God.

Psalm 58:3:
Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Psalm 51:5: (David)
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Children under the age of 8 transgress the laws of god, but are not accountable for their actions because their cognative thinking has not fully developed yet..

Moroni 8: 12, 22

12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!

22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing—

[quadrophenic_9]

Funny story about that. An Old Testiment teacher of mine told me a story about two young boys that he knew. One was 7 the other had just turned 8. They were walking down the road together opening mailboxes and liberating the free cereal samples along the way when the 7 year old turned to the 8 year old and said, "You know for you, this is a sin."

[FFH]

Moroni 8: 8, 11

8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.

11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.