The LDS "Articles of Faith" (Jesus Christ, ritual, Latter-Day Saints)

[Comprehend]

Originally Posted by quadrophenic_9

Thanks, you know where it's from? I can't recall meeting anyone who can pinpoint it yet. Probably because the ones who can won't admit it.

I have no idea but I am curious now.

[quadrophenic_9]

Any time I post in the middle of a thread it kills the thread, should I take that as a compliment?

[quadrophenic_9]

Originally Posted by Comprehend

I have no idea but I am curious now.

Think Rock n' Roll and the 70's and the band WHO newspapers once called "the richest vandals in the world." (Maybe I should make a thread for this. A rock and roll scavanger hunt.)

[bible truth]

Hey Comprehend,

I have about 12 pages printed out from your official Mormon sources. I can honestly say that I disagree with most of it through a quick overview. My theology is Protestant Reformed evangelical. Therefore, nothing is new under the sun in my proclamation of the gospel. What is so puzzling about this entire debate over the last several weeks is the great desire for LDS members to be acknowledged as Christian brothers and sisters with evangelical Christians. Why is that? What does it matter if evangelicals accept you as fellow Christians? This will never happen in our life time. We believe in radically different things about essential biblical doctrine. It was so much easier when the LDS church just boldly proclaimed traditional historical Christianity apostate. It's okay to proclaim the message of restoration of apostate Christianity, if that's what you truly believe. But don't expect to be received by the mainstream protestant churches with a restoration message along with official LDS doctrine. We simply believe in a different gospel and a different Christ. We do not have the same faith, or the same hope, or the same God. - BT

[bible truth]

Originally Posted by quadrophenic_9

By the way, I'm becky's husband. Just in case that wasn't made clear before.

Hey quadrophenic,

Are you beckysoup's husband? You read my post! Stick around through the entire debate, okay? - BT

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by bible truth

What is so puzzling about this entire debate over the last several weeks is the great desire for LDS members to be acknowledged as Christian brothers and sisters with evangelical Christians. Why is that?

You honestly cannot understand why we want to be called Christians? We worship Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour, we believe He died for our sins to save us. We are Christians, and we wish to be treated like one; not some second-class religion or cult.

Originally Posted by bible truth

This will never happen in our life time.

So you can honestly say that no evangelical Christians accept us as brothers and sisters in Christ?

Originally Posted by bible truth

We simply believe in a different gospel and a different Christ. We do not have the same faith, or the same hope, or the same God. - BT

That is a disgusting sentiment, but I respect free-speech, so you are free to insult whoemever you like; but unlike most of us, you have taken NO time to actually understand what we believe or even make a small effort. Your effort has gone to calling us non-Christians, non-believers in Christ and several other smears. Why you proclaim this hate is beyond me (do notlie and pretend it is love -- it isn't). I pray that someday you'll actually stop hiding behind the door and see that we are Christians, we worship the same Christ and the same God (we just see Him in a different perspective).

Edit: Not that you will read this, but I thought I might voice my concerns on your behavior.

[quadrophenic_9]

I know this question wasn't posed to me but I'm here and I'm gonna answer it. My answer is because we accept you. Christ wouldn't have wanted his church to be an exclusive club, I'm sure he knew dissention and disagreements would take place. The spirit teaches truth and we should be less concerned about where it comes from and more concerned about what we do with it. Our prophet has stated, and I'm of course paraphrasing, that we invite all members of all religions to bring their truth and we will add to it. You seem more interested in protecting what you have and rejecting anything that could conflict. Maybe keeping an open mind and heart would suit you as it has always suited us.

[bible truth]

Originally Posted by FFH

Yes, perfect scripture for this discussion...

Because of our sins we experience the same effects of Adam's transgressions, yet children under the age of eight experience death, even though they are innocent and incapable of sinning, and many of them labor, at very young ages, in impoverished nations....

The only curse many children are truly free from is sin.

So even the innocent among us may suffer for Adam's transgression as is the case when a child dies, but they are then of course are resurrected and do not lay in the grave for eternity because of Adam and Eve's choices....resurrection being a free gift to all.

In other words we don't have to suffer for Adam's transgressions, for eternity, but will only be responsible for the sins we commit and do not repent of...

It seems we will all escape the toils of this life, so it comes down to just overcoming our personal sins and Adam and Eve's transgressions are already covered under Christ's atonement of course..

I read in the Mormon sources provided by Comprehend that the LDS church teaches a doctrine of an 'age of accountability. It appears FFH is saying chidren under the age of 8 are incapabe of sinning and are innocent. Behold the Word of God.

Psalm 58:3:
Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Psalm 51:5: (David)
Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

[FFH]

Originally Posted by quadrophenic_9

Thanks, you know where it's from? I can't recall meeting anyone who can pinpoint it yet. Probably because the ones who can won't admit it.

Did some dictionary and google searches and can't quite pinpoint it..

Okay I found it. It was basically a made up word meaning someone who has four split personalities...

Quad (four)

Schizophrenia (split personalities)

Combine the two and you have quadrophenia or a quadrophenic personality