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04-23-2007, 12:55 PM
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Islam - Dhul Qarnain?
Who was he historically? Alexander the great? I personally believe he was Cyrus the Persian king... why? Let’s look at the facts... Did he believe in the one god concept? I read that he had access to the teaching of Zoroaster whose teachings believes in monotheism... Also when you look at his war campaign... he conquered the west first then headed east then a northern direction... then he freed the Jewish people of Babylon from Nebuchadnezzar II and granted them safe passage back home to Palestine... Dhul-qarnain means the two horned one and his war campaign signifies the two horns, western and eastern armies who merged to free the Jewish people from Babylon... was he a just ruler? Let’s look at his kingship...
http://oznet.net/cyrus/cyframe.htm Charter of the Rights of Nations Inscribed on a clay cylinder in cuneiform discovered in 1879 now in The British Museum, London. I am Cyrus. King of the world. When I entered Babylon... I did not allow anyone to terrorise the land... I kept in view the needs of people and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being... I put an end to their misfortune. The Great God has delivered all the lands into my hand; the lands that I have made to dwell in a peaceful habitation... Also on wiki I found better transcript… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Cylinder The worship of Marduk, the king of the gods, he [Nabonidus] [chang]ed into abomination. Daily he used to do evil against his city [Babylon] ... He [Marduk] scanned and looked [through] all the countries, searching for a righteous ruler willing to lead [him] [in the annual procession]. [Then] he pronounced the name of Cyrus, king of Anshan, declared him to be[come) the ruler of all the world ... I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, legitimate king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four rims [of the earth], son of Cambyses, great king, king of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus, great king, king of Anshan, descendant of Teispes, great king, king of Anshan, of a family [which] always [exercised] kingship; whose rule Bel [Marduk] and Nebo love, whom they want as king to please their hearts ... I did not allow anybody to terrorize [any place] of the [country of Sumer] and Akkad. I strove for peace in Babylon and in all his [other] sacred cities. As to the inhabitants of Babylon ... I abolished forced labour ... From Nineveh, Assur and Susa, Akkad, Eshnunna, Zamban, Me-Turnu and Der until the region of Gutium, I returned to these sacred cities on the other side of the Tigris, the sanctuaries of which have been ruins for a long time, the images which [used] to live therein and established for them permanent sanctuaries. I [also] gathered all their [former] inhabitants and returned [to them] their habitations. Alexander the Great is known to have visited his grave... here is what was inscribed in his tomb... "I am Cyrus, who founded the empire of the Persians. Grudge me not therefore, this little earth that covers my body." Crossing the Murghab plain in 330 BC, an army threaded its way along the flank of a steep, wooded gorge above the stream known today as the Pulvar. The troops were under the command of the young Macedonian conqueror Alexander, who was pressing eastward, dreaming of empire. They entered a broad, grassy valley. Half hidden by a cluster of gnarled trees, they caught a glimpse of a structure that, for a solemn moment, would bring their impatient general to a halt. Alexander had arrived at the site of the Persian capital of Pasargade and had come upon the tomb of an earlier, celebrated world conqueror, the Persian King Cyrus II, known as Cyrus the great. In his day, Cyrus had founded an empire of unprecedented size and power. Because Alexander hoped to surpass the Persian monarch's achievements, he felt compelled to pause here and pay homage to his acclaimed predecessor. One of Alexander's comrades in arms, Aristobulus, gave an account of their visit to the tomb, which later found its way into the writings of the first-century-BC Greek geographer Strabo. It was "a tower of no great size," Aristobulus reported, "concealed beneath the thicket of trees, in its lower parts massive, but its upper parts having a roof and shrine with a very narrow entrance." The Macedonians cautiously entered the building, all of 200 years old at the time. They found themselves in the royal burial chamber, where according to Aristobulus; they beheld "a golden couch and table with drinking cups, and a golden coffin." There was also an inscription, cited "from memory," by Aristobulus: "Oh man, I am Cyrus, who founded the empire of the Persians and was king of Asia. Grudge me not therefore this monument." The Greek historian Plutarch, writing Alexander's biography in the late first century AD, reported that as a mark of respect Alexander had ordered a Greek translation of the Persian text to be carved alongside it. Plutarch also offered a somewhat more melodramatic version of Cyrus's original text, which may have been taken from a source other than Aristobulus or embellished in its passage through the intervening centuries:"Oh man, whosoever thou art and from whencesoever thou comest, for that thou wilt come I know, I am Cyrus, who founded the empire of the Persians. Grudge me not therefore, this little earth that covers my body. Source: Time Life Books, Persians: Masters of Empire. You can also see the vast resource god gave him... he was ruler of the then know world... what do you think brothers and sisters? 
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04-23-2007, 01:07 PM
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Here is what is said in the Quran concerning him...
Sura Al-Kahf verse starting from 83... They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. (83) Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. (84) And he followed a road (85) Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. (86) He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his Lord, Who will punish him with awful punishment! (87) But as for him who believeth and doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a mild command. (88) Then he followed a road (89) Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. (90) So (it was). And We knew all concerning him. (91) Then he followed a road (92) Till, when he came between the two mountains, he found upon their hither side a folk that scarce could understand a saying. (93) They said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Lo! Gog and Magog are spoiling the land. So may we pay thee tribute on condition that thou set a barrier between us and them? (94) He said: That wherein my Lord hath established me is better (than your tribute). Do but help me with strength (of men), I will set between you and them a bank. (95) Give me pieces of iron - till, when he had levelled up (the gap) between the cliffs, he said: Blow! - till, when he had made it a fire, he said: Bring me molten copper to pour thereon. (96) And (Gog and Magog) were not able to surmount, nor could they pierce (it). (97) He said: This is a mercy from my Lord; but when the promise of my Lord cometh to pass, He will lay it low, for the promise of my Lord is true. (98) And on that day we shall let some of them surge against others, and the Trumpet will be blown. Then We shall gather them together in one gathering. (99) On that day we shall present hell to the disbelievers, plain to view, (100) Those whose eyes were hoodwinked from My reminder, and who could not bear to hear. (101) Do the disbelievers reckon that they can choose My bondmen as protecting friends beside Me? Lo! We have prepared hell as a welcome for the disbelievers. (102) Say: Shall We inform you who will be the greatest losers by their works? (103) Those whose effort goeth astray in the life of the world, and yet they reckon that they do good work. (104) Those are they who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord and in the meeting with Him. Therefor their works are vain, and on the Day of Resurrection We assign no weight to them. (105) That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a jest of Our revelations and Our messengers. (106) Lo! those who believe and do good works, theirs are the Gardens of Paradise for welcome, (107) Wherein they will abide, with no desire to be removed from thence. (108) Say: Though the sea became ink for the Words of my Lord, verily the sea would be used up before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even though We brought the like thereof to help. (109) Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your God is only One God. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord. (110)
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04-24-2007, 02:56 PM
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Asalamu Alaikum.
Masha'Allah, interesting. But i believe since Allah(SWT) did not reveal Dhul Qarnains identity in the Qur'an, nor his Prophet(SAWS) in the Sunnah, then trying to find out who Dhul Qarnian was, seems to be a waste of the precious time a Muslim has. Wallahu a'lam. (Thanks for the research though. Quite interesting)
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"The obstacle is the path" Last edited by AbuQuteiba; 04-24-2007 at 02:58 PM.. Reason: correction
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04-24-2007, 08:23 PM
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Interesting but I just don't think we have enough evidences for or against to argue the point of who he was. It would be interesting if we could find out for certain though.
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04-25-2007, 06:59 AM
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04-25-2007, 01:07 PM
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04-25-2007, 07:37 PM
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06-05-2007, 01:09 PM
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Did you know that Cyrus believed in the Jewish God?
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06-07-2007, 01:18 AM
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THE PRESERVATION OF PHARAOH'S BODY
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regarded himself as a deity and responded with slanders and threats to Prophet Musa's (as) calls for him to believe in Allah. This arrogant attitude lasted until he was faced with the threat of death through drowning. The Qur'an relates that Pharaoh immediately turned to belief when faced with Allah's punishment:[/font] We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90) [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']However, this last-minute conversion was not accepted, for it was not sincere. According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed:[/font] "What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)[/font] [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The information that Pharaoh's corpse would serve as a sign for later generations may be regarded as an indication that his body would not decay. On display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo is a mummified body believed to be that of this tyrant. In all likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore after being drowned, was found and mummified by the Egyptians, and then carried to a previously prepared burial chamber.[/font]182[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'][/font]
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